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Post by Mojave Gator on Jan 6, 2024 14:37:48 GMT -5
It is a foregone conclusion that Billy Napier will be fired in 2024. The only question is whether it will be during the season or after it. Who do the Gators turn to next to find an effective leader to produce results? No right or wrong answers, just a topic of discussion. Before anybody suggests it, however, we aren't getting Steve Spurrier, Urban Meyer or Bob Stoops.
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Post by g8rfan on Jan 6, 2024 14:49:09 GMT -5
At this point I’m not sure who’d even be available and worthwhile to go after. I’d think Kiffin would have to get a look. Not a big fan of the guy but his offense is fun to watch at least. I think he could attract players to get things turned around pretty quick. Other than that I really don’t know.
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Post by Mojave Gator on Jan 6, 2024 17:32:03 GMT -5
Press conferences certainly wouldn't be dull.
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 6, 2024 18:43:15 GMT -5
My fear is we waited too long on Kiffin. The way he’s going in the portal he Mississippi may very well be in the playoff next year, and at that point what advantages does the UF job have? Especially after another year of significant decay.
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 6, 2024 22:04:20 GMT -5
I really like the idea of a coach who has at least coordinator and preferably head coaching experience in a power 5 conference. I wouldn’t start with guys who have never been head coaches but I wouldnt rule them out either. Especially those who have been coordinators. The only two that come to mind are Brian Johnson and Brian Flores. I’ll throw Garrett Reilly in there for shats and googles as well. Joe Brady may be worth a look. In rough order:
Lame Kiffin: you never know maybe he wants to level the playing field with UGA and Bama, and UF is the land of opportunity as the SEC program in the best recruiting state in the country.
Kellen DeBoer- long shot but you try to money whip him and all he can say is no.
Urban Meyer (with one of the Brian’s as OC/head coach in waiting)
James Franklin (maybe he’s sick of playing 3rd or 4th fiddle in the Big 10 amongst the traditional teams and the reality is USC and Oregon immediately knock him down to 5 just from a resource standpoint and Washington jumps him as well unless DeBoer is a one year wonder.
Mike Gundy
Lance Leipold
Then the ones I like the most probably in no particular order:
Jeff Traylor, Jamey chadwell, jedd Fisch
Then I lied, here’s my favorite of the more realistic guys
Jon sumrall from Troy. He’s got experience on both sides of the SEC and Troy’s location is central to Florida, Georgia, Texas, and Louisiana/Mississippi. Thats the dude, but Miss St will probably grab him while we go a clown like 3-9 or 4-8 because we refuse to move quickly at any level.
Definitely left some guys out but there’s plenty of viable candidates. It will be funny as opposed to frustrating watching them get snapped up because I have a new attitude until Cajun Willie and Starkville Scotty exit stage left
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Post by wahhappen on Jan 7, 2024 14:30:35 GMT -5
I think it would be hilarious if our new GM (Mark Robinson) brought in Brian Johnson as OC and then if he took over after Napier gets fired before the Georgia game.
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 8, 2024 13:10:11 GMT -5
I think it would be hilarious if our new GM (Mark Robinson) brought in Brian Johnson as OC and then if he took over after Napier gets fired before the Georgia game. That would be awesome, but I'm still super confused about who is the tail and who is the dog in the train wreck of our football program. How exactly does the Head Coach hire an associate AD who is supposed to fill a GM-esque role? There are certainly coaches who have earned the power and right to basically appoint their "boss" in name and gift an AD or vice-AD position to a rubber stamper. However, Napier has not earned that right nor do any of them do it publicly. There's also the fact that rather than eliminating on-field positions such as the tandem offensive line coaching approach in order to make room for an OC, QB Coach, and/or Special Teams Coach and also clearing up some room in the budget to where we can afford higher end options, best I can tell he has actually added 2 more administrative positions for Hocke (because he's always dreamed of being a football coach rather than a S&C guy) and Richardson the GM who was hired by the head coach to do the shit that head coaches are supposed to do. We're going to have everybody so confused by the end of this offseason that I wouldn't be surprised if all of our opponents elect to forfeit rather than risk being overwhelmed by this well oiled machine of evaluation and analysis. |
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Post by wahhappen on Jan 8, 2024 15:40:37 GMT -5
I think it would be hilarious if our new GM (Mark Robinson) brought in Brian Johnson as OC and then if he took over after Napier gets fired before the Georgia game. That would be awesome, but I'm still super confused about who is the tail and who is the dog in the train wreck of our football program. How exactly does the Head Coach hire an associate AD who is supposed to fill a GM-esque role? There are certainly coaches who have earned the power and right to basically appoint their "boss" in name and gift an AD or vice-AD position to a rubber stamper. However, Napier has not earned that right nor do any of them do it publicly. There's also the fact that rather than eliminating on-field positions such as the tandem offensive line coaching approach in order to make room for an OC, QB Coach, and/or Special Teams Coach and also clearing up some room in the budget to where we can afford higher end options, best I can tell he has actually added 2 more administrative positions for Hocke (because he's always dreamed of being a football coach rather than a S&C guy) and Richardson the GM who was hired by the head coach to do the shit that head coaches are supposed to do. We're going to have everybody so confused by the end of this offseason that I wouldn't be surprised if all of our opponents elect to forfeit rather than risk being overwhelmed by this well oiled machine of evaluation and analysis. Yeah, mark me down as one who’s completely lost with what is going on. It seems that RDB has been given free reign to do whatever he wants as badly as he wants to do it because whereas he can pay people to do everything other than what needs to be addressed. |
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Post by SoTxCaiman on Jan 8, 2024 16:05:13 GMT -5
All sounds to me like RBD is off loading the administrative side of the HC job so he can then look everyone in the eye and say "YES" I have the time to dedicate to my QB's, my Offense and especially my play calling responsibilities! He wants the HC job, but only wants the OC's responsibilities.
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Post by g8rfan on Jan 8, 2024 16:16:10 GMT -5
One thing I’ve learned through the years is that if everyone is the boss, no one is the boss. I’ve never seen an organization succeed without the buck stopping somewhere. When you get a lot of same level leadership there’s not enough accountability. It needs to be the HCs job to run the football program, full stop.
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Post by Mojave Gator on Jan 8, 2024 19:54:17 GMT -5
One thing I’ve learned through the years is that if everyone is the boss, no one is the boss. I’ve never seen an organization succeed without the buck stopping somewhere. When you get a lot of same level leadership there’s not enough accountability. It needs to be the HCs job to run the football program, full stop. I see a lot of finger pointing, players being blamed for coaching mistakes, and nothing really getting fixed. |
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Post by Mojave Gator on Jan 8, 2024 20:40:37 GMT -5
The more that I think about it, the more that I like Mike Gundy. Keen offensive mind, players play hard for him, and he has gotten blood out of a stone at times at Oklahoma State. He has probably peaked where he is, and I know that he would be highly motivated to achieve more. Florida would give him the resources, both in terms of intangibles and a fertile recruiting ground.
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 9, 2024 10:22:00 GMT -5
The more that I think about it, the more that I like Mike Gundy. Keen offensive mind, players play hard for him, and he has gotten blood out of a stone at times at Oklahoma State. He has probably peaked where he is, and I know that he would be highly motivated to achieve more. Florida would give him the resources, both in terms of intangibles and a fertile recruiting ground. He wants the job and has a chip on his shoulder because he's been passed over for destination jobs in the past. We need to get rid of Stricklin first because hiring Gundy would be akin to admitting 2 mistakes in his mind and Starkville Scotty Too Hotty doesn't make mistakes. Which is why he can't learn from them and does things like hiring back to back coaches in female sports that get hit with abuse allegations. |
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Post by bimigator on Jan 9, 2024 14:54:54 GMT -5
Gundy would definitely be an improvement, but my hope would be for a younger up and comer. You get the sense that Kirby will be at UGA for the next 20 years; it'd be nice to have someone here who could hang around a bit. Gundy, for all his desire to leave Ok State, is one of the longest tenured coaches in football (tied with Whittingham and just behind Ferentz).
But Gundy is an excellent coach and I'd have no qualms with him.
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Post by gatordoll on Jan 10, 2024 19:42:18 GMT -5
Pete Carroll?
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Post by Mojave Gator on Jan 10, 2024 19:53:15 GMT -5
College football has become more complicated and more of a pain since he left it. I don't see him leaving the NFL for a college job. He also bailed on USC with an NCAA investigation pending. |
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Post by bimigator on Jan 10, 2024 20:29:01 GMT -5
He's also 72 years old. Best case scenario is he'd be here for 5 years.
Has Carroll ever coached in the South?
If I had my way, it'd look something like this:
1. Lane Kiffin (48) - proven recruiter and coach. Made FAU and Ole Miss fun. Spurrier type attitude.
2. Brian Johnson (36) - QB whisperer, proven at all levels except head coach. He's about to interview for the Carolina job, won't be available long.
3. Brian Flores (42) - NFL guy, would be a good pathway for next level minded kids.
4. Scott Frost (49) - I think his issue at Nebraska was Nebraska, not lack of ability. Put him back in Florida where he belongs.
5. Dan Lanning (36) - high energy, proven winner, Southern roots.
Of course, Stricklin doesn't care what I think, so it's Napier till November and then we'll probably hire like Mike Stoops or something.
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Post by gatordoll on Jan 10, 2024 21:51:51 GMT -5
I believe Stricklin is on the way out
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 10, 2024 22:15:14 GMT -5
I believe Stricklin is on the way out We can only hope, and it seems that at some point common sense must prevail, but just so we're aware what we're dealing with this is Starkville Scotty Too Hotel's first hire and subsequent handling: www.alligatorarmy.com/2021/9/27/22696311/cam-newbauer-abuse-florida-gators-womens-basketballIf you can survive leaving that jackass in place for 3 years after the first allegations were put in front of you, you're the ultimate cockroach in multiple senses of the word. |
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Post by Mojave Gator on Jan 10, 2024 22:30:58 GMT -5
One of the knocks on Frost at Nebraska was a dictatorial approach with his assistants. He was not open to the observations or ideas of others, and it finally got to the point that some assistants went to the AD about it.
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Post by Rock Gator on Jan 11, 2024 7:35:41 GMT -5
This whole thread just got erased by Saban's retirement announcement. Now we have to wait until Bama hires their next coach before we can even dream about ours. That's where we are now.
RG
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Post by gatordoll on Jan 11, 2024 13:16:59 GMT -5
Whoever Bama gets would probably not be interested in the Florida job
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Post by bimigator on Jan 11, 2024 14:05:37 GMT -5
This whole thread just got erased by Saban's retirement announcement. Now we have to wait until Bama hires their next coach before we can even dream about ours. That's where we are now. RG Tbf we have to fire our coach before we can dream about a new one. |
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 11, 2024 14:23:11 GMT -5
Whoever Bama gets would probably not be interested in the Florida job Here's the ironic part, I'm pretty sure that the Bama job will land with somebody who would have taken the UF job in a heartbeat if Starkville Scotty had not already chosen his coach and decided he would overpay by a couple million and guarantee the whole contract. Of the top guys on the list I saw I believe the only ones that wouldn't at least consider the UF job right now are Lanning and Dabo. Maybe Kiffin just because of what he's been able to do in the transfer portal at Ole Miss. Wait until he finds out Princely can't block and takes plays off. Sometimes at the same time |
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 11, 2024 14:26:20 GMT -5
This whole thread just got erased by Saban's retirement announcement. Now we have to wait until Bama hires their next coach before we can even dream about ours. That's where we are now. RG Tbf we have to fire our coach before we can dream about a new one. We actually need to fire our AD and hire a new AD with a brain and an instinct in his consciousness other than self-preservation which will in turn lead to him firing our current coach. |
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Post by bimigator on Jan 11, 2024 19:12:25 GMT -5
Tbf we have to fire our coach before we can dream about a new one. We actually need to fire our AD and hire a new AD with a brain and an instinct in his consciousness other than self-preservation which will in turn lead to him firing our current coach. That too. |
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Post by gatordoll on Jan 12, 2024 1:19:21 GMT -5
We actually need to fire our AD and hire a new AD with a brain and an instinct in his consciousness other than self-preservation which will in turn lead to him firing our current coach. That too. First things first. Stricklin has to go before we can consider hiring a new football coach. And btw lets see how long it take before they start turning against our basketball coach. |
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 12, 2024 10:44:57 GMT -5
First things first. Stricklin has to go before we can consider hiring a new football coach. And btw lets see how long it take before they start turning against our basketball coach. I watched the Kentucky game and I had likes and dislikes on Golden. He adjusted his recruiting approach from year 1 to year 2 and he has some guys who will play in the League. His game coaching isn't great but he's young. His gameplay was pretty good. I saw enough good to think he has a chance if he continues to evolve and enough bad to think he may not be able to take said evolution from principal to practice. Since that game they had their worst performance of the season which I didn't watch but is summed up here: hailfloridahail.com/posts/three-red-flags-surrounding-florida-basketball-following-loss-to-ole-miss-01hkwmj1kqy0And that's sort of the consensus. That said, whether he sinks or swims the basketball job has been handled every bit as poorly as the football job by SSTH who has actually done the impossible and made me miss Jeremy Foley. Some disturbing I mean hilarious similarities in the 2 hires: 1) Leaving the prior coach in place for way too long making an uphill climb much steeper. Mike White took over 1 year removed from a Final Four run. He peaked in year 2 when he made the Elite 8. Other than that he never won a 2nd round game and he missed the NCAA Tournament in 2 of his last 3 years. He should have been gone in year 5 at the latest, instead he made it to year 7 and left to take another job. 2) Golden was not qualified for the UF job. Playing in Israel and the Jewish Olympics and then being an assistant under Pearl (who coached him in said Olympics/Maccabiah games) and then a 3 year run at San Francisco where you finish 5th, 8th, and 4th (with an NCAA appearance) in the 9 team West Coast Conference isn't even on par with a co-Sunbelt championship in football. 3) He is a young coach with an outdated approach that he plagiarized and tried to put his own spin on from a mentor. Sound familiar? "The foundation for success will be built on defense, rebounding and ball security. If we're able to do that, it will raise our floor and give us a great chance to be really successful and eliminate any unnecessary volatility we might have," Golden said. That's basketball coachspeak for: "we're going to be a run-first, ball control team, that relies on a physical style on both sides of the ball, limit turnovers, and that will set up play action whereas the volatility of downfield passing." I give Golden about a 25% chance of success, but I won't trust the current athletic administration to support him or move on if/when necessary. I really think that Starkville Scotty's chosen coaches are running in quicksand while their current boss is in place. He's an albatross around the neck of this program and University. |
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Post by SoTxCaiman on Jan 12, 2024 11:25:26 GMT -5
Another similarity is they recruit great, early. Golden has 2 kids committed for next year that are both McDonalds All Americans. Two McDonalds All Americans in the same class is big in a 5 man sport. His fate may be on can he close the deal unlike RDB who saw mass exoduses at signing time.
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 12, 2024 13:34:52 GMT -5
Another similarity is they recruit great, early. Golden has 2 kids committed for next year that are both McDonalds All Americans. Two McDonalds All Americans in the same class is big in a 5 man sport. His fate may be on can he close the deal unlike RDB who saw mass exoduses at signing time. Yep. If early commitments were binding Napier would have had 2 top 10 classes, maybe even top 3-5, but they selectively count, so he's a great recruiter by getting the verbal commitments, but then when the kids flip they were never really here to begin with so he got them but he didn't lose them because we never had them. Rocket evlauanalysis. |
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