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Post by g8rfan on Jan 9, 2024 9:06:36 GMT -5
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 9, 2024 10:19:20 GMT -5
Starkville Scotty may be stupider than Cajun Willie Taggart and Jeremy Foley. That's impressive.
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Post by bimigator on Jan 9, 2024 11:07:33 GMT -5
I'm having a tough time drawing a line from "all our best players are transferring out" to "success!".
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 9, 2024 11:36:43 GMT -5
Alright boys here's the plan:
We're going to repeat the words adjustments, good, core group, patience, from the NFL, and kids over and over again. Every press conference. That way we will plant the seeds that we're still a young team, we're good, that we are building with a core group, that this is all part of a master plan, that we told them coming in that this was the plan, and that they therefore have no choice but to be patient. If we repeat it enough everybody will forget that we're young because our experienced players keep leaving as soon as there's any other opportunity, that our recruiting has sucked and included losing 4 of our top 6 commitments (keep the focus on the 2 we kept, pretend they're better than they are and they are the only ones we really wanted anyway), the fact that we keep replacing guys with more NFL and Power 5 experience with guys with less (other than the S&C program) experience everywhere except the Sunbelt Conference, and just accept at least 1 more losing season, maybe we can sneak out one more after that.
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Post by bimigator on Jan 9, 2024 14:48:58 GMT -5
We didn't lose any commitments, taps. Some guys who showed interest chose to go elsewhere, but that's ok because they weren't truly bought in anyway. We didn't lose anyone who signed an NLI, check your facts bub.
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Post by g8rfan on Jan 9, 2024 15:45:25 GMT -5
And I mean losing Princely and ETN wasn’t that bad because they weren’t that good anyway, right? Right?
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Post by bimigator on Jan 9, 2024 15:58:38 GMT -5
And I mean losing Princely and ETN wasn’t that bad because they weren’t that good anyway, right? Right? IF THEY WERE ANY GOOD THEY'D HAVE STUCK AROUND. DUH. |
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 9, 2024 17:21:57 GMT -5
We didn't lose any commitments, taps. Some guys who showed interest chose to go elsewhere, but that's ok because they weren't truly bought in anyway. We didn't lose anyone who signed an NLI, check your facts bub. Good call. Can't believe I forgot. And I mean losing Princely and ETN wasn’t that bad because they weren’t that good anyway, right? Right? They took plays off and refused to block. That's why nobody else wanted them. Don't be surprised if both Georgia and Ole Miss have losing records next year whereas the culture and the process. And I mean losing Princely and ETN wasn’t that bad because they weren’t that good anyway, right? Right? IF THEY WERE ANY GOOD THEY'D HAVE STUCK AROUND. DUH. That's science and you cannot argue science. It's expert evaluanlaysis on a rocket ship to the moon. |
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Post by gatordoll on Jan 10, 2024 1:38:58 GMT -5
Please wake me up when this RDB debacle is over...
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Post by Mojave Gator on Jan 15, 2024 17:36:12 GMT -5
There is an article in the Orlando Sentinel in which Stricklin insists that Napier isn't on the hot seat. I couldn't read the whole thing or link to it because it's behind a firewall that requires a subscription that I don't care enough to pay for.
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Post by bimigator on Jan 15, 2024 21:13:21 GMT -5
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Post by Mojave Gator on Jan 15, 2024 23:04:01 GMT -5
"Billy is continually looking for ways to improve his football program." Well, that's a relief.
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Post by wahhappen on Jan 16, 2024 12:41:06 GMT -5
"Billy is continually looking for ways to improve his football program." Well, that's a relief. Don’t worry. He’ll eventually hire an associate head coach to do that for him. Once he gets all of the pesky “coaching” duties off of his plate, he’ll be freed up to get things turned around. |
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 17, 2024 10:57:21 GMT -5
“Our overall roster is going to be older,” Stricklin said. “Older teams beat up younger teams. You look at the teams that played in the College Football Playoff; there were a lot of veterans on those teams. One of the keys in college football — really, in all college sports these days — is you need to be old and you need to figure out a way to stay old.
“So we’re going to be older.”
Starkville Scotty is a fucking moron.
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Post by wahhappen on Jan 17, 2024 12:37:06 GMT -5
“Our overall roster is going to be older,” Stricklin said. “Older teams beat up younger teams. You look at the teams that played in the College Football Playoff; there were a lot of veterans on those teams. One of the keys in college football — really, in all college sports these days — is you need to be old and you need to figure out a way to stay old. “So we’re going to be older.” Starkville Scotty is a fucking moron. Not sure about football, but he is certainly right about college basketball these days. Just ask John Calipari how his teams have performed. He is still trying to get older quick and stay old. |
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Post by SoTxCaiman on Jan 17, 2024 13:23:43 GMT -5
Pretty good read, let's hope this guy has someone's ear....... link |
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 17, 2024 13:49:06 GMT -5
]Not sure about football, but he is certainly right about college basketball these days. Just ask John Calipari how his teams have performed. He is still trying to get older quick and stay old. Yeah it works in basketball and actually applies, but here, as per usual, he's wrong and wronger. If you look at National Champs and playoff teams (at least the ones that don't get bitchslapped) the vast majority are guys who declare early because they're gonna go in the first 2 days of the NFL draft. Even the guys who get to their Senior years usually are waiting their turn behind NFL players, Upperclassmen who initially went to a NFL factory like Ohio State or UGA or Bama or Michigan (with Harbaugh) and either transfer out because they're blocked by an Aidan Hutchinson or Jalen Carter or Carson Beck or Marvin Harrison are not the same as upperclassmen who are 3rd string behind Graham Mertz or Desmond Watson. To the extent he's not completely off, correlation does not equal causation and there's a failure to recognize a very basic concept, ie. if you lose 65% of your initial recruiting class, over half of your returning starters, and your two best players including a lot of the highest regarded kids from your first 2 classes in their 3rd year and replace them with a bunch of kids who are chronologically (slightly) older and were either backups at the Power 5 level or played shitty competition, you're not really much older and you damn sure aren't better. Check this out: n.rivals.com/transfer_tracker/football/2024?school_focus=floridaWe have the 34th ranked incoming transfer class in the country with 9 kids at an average of 2.78 stars and one 4 star. Obviously that's an issue when you had there #16-20 recruiting class in the country and were 5-7 with 5 straight losses to close out the season, but here's the real problem: n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2024/all-teams/football/transferBy my count we lost 14 kids to the portal and have 9 coming in. Even worse out of the movement we lost: 1) the 2 best 2) 4 of the top 5 3) 7 of the top 10 There is absolutely no spin/pigs lipstick/sunsine pumping analysis that can possibly result in us having a more talented team in 2024 than we had in 2023. We had 22 sacks as a team last year. Princely had 7 and Scooby had 1. They're both going to schools we play next year. That's just one example. There's plenty more. It actually is kind of funny watching the false bravado as they try to convince themselves and the fanbase that this is all going to plan. |
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 17, 2024 15:47:07 GMT -5
This needs to start trending or whatever the Hell they call it these days.
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Post by wahhappen on Jan 17, 2024 17:21:39 GMT -5
]Not sure about football, but he is certainly right about college basketball these days. Just ask John Calipari how his teams have performed. He is still trying to get older quick and stay old. Yeah it works in basketball and actually applies, but here, as per usual, he's wrong and wronger. If you look at National Champs and playoff teams (at least the ones that don't get bitchslapped) the vast majority are guys who declare early because they're gonna go in the first 2 days of the NFL draft. Even the guys who get to their Senior years usually are waiting their turn behind NFL players, Upperclassmen who initially went to a NFL factory like Ohio State or UGA or Bama or Michigan (with Harbaugh) and either transfer out because they're blocked by an Aidan Hutchinson or Jalen Carter or Carson Beck or Marvin Harrison are not the same as upperclassmen who are 3rd string behind Graham Mertz or Desmond Watson. To the extent he's not completely off, correlation does not equal causation and there's a failure to recognize a very basic concept, ie. if you lose 65% of your initial recruiting class, over half of your returning starters, and your two best players including a lot of the highest regarded kids from your first 2 classes in their 3rd year and replace them with a bunch of kids who are chronologically (slightly) older and were either backups at the Power 5 level or played shitty competition, you're not really much older and you damn sure aren't better. Check this out: n.rivals.com/transfer_tracker/football/2024?school_focus=floridaWe have the 34th ranked incoming transfer class in the country with 9 kids at an average of 2.78 stars and one 4 star. Obviously that's an issue when you had there #16-20 recruiting class in the country and were 5-7 with 5 straight losses to close out the season, but here's the real problem: n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2024/all-teams/football/transferBy my count we lost 14 kids to the portal and have 9 coming in. Even worse out of the movement we lost: 1) the 2 best 2) 4 of the top 5 3) 7 of the top 10 There is absolutely no spin/pigs lipstick/sunsine pumping analysis that can possibly result in us having a more talented team in 2024 than we had in 2023. We had 22 sacks as a team last year. Princely had 7 and Scooby had 1. They're both going to schools we play next year. That's just one example. There's plenty more. It actually is kind of funny watching the false bravado as they try to convince themselves and the fanbase that this is all going to plan. I was actually not being serious. I am pretty sure Kentucky and Memphis, under Calipari, have traditionally been pretty successful fielding a starting 5 of mostly freshmen and sophomores, only to have most of them leave early for the NBA every year. |
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Post by Mojave Gator on Jan 17, 2024 22:13:06 GMT -5
“Our overall roster is going to be older,” Stricklin said. “Older teams beat up younger teams. You look at the teams that played in the College Football Playoff; there were a lot of veterans on those teams. One of the keys in college football — really, in all college sports these days — is you need to be old and you need to figure out a way to stay old. “So we’re going to be older.” Starkville Scotty is a fucking moron. If age led to success, Brigham Young would win the national championship every year. A lot of their guys don't play until after they return from their mission assignments. |
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 18, 2024 12:42:05 GMT -5
I was actually not being serious. I am pretty sure Kentucky and Memphis, under Calipari, have traditionally been pretty successful fielding a starting 5 of mostly freshmen and sophomores, only to have most of them leave early for the NBA every year. Oh yeah I figured, but I have heard the "upper classmen win" thing from analysts in basketball (usually when Kentucky loses in the tournament) and there is actually some empirical evidence to support it in basketball. I'm almost curious enough to run an average age analysis. I guess we'll end up being older because of some of the Power 5 washouts or small school guys coming in with the Portal class and we didn't lose many older players because a lot the guys are Napier recruits who have seen enough. |
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 18, 2024 14:20:45 GMT -5
Speaking of the differences between basketball and football, quick question for the room. Why on Gator Fan websites is it kinda common place to make blanket statements like this:
"With 1.5 seasons under his belt, Golden now deserves to feel the pressure when it comes to Florida’s play. There has been enough time for the team to adapt to his vision and coaching style; unlike last season, there is no excuse of a star player being injured. It simply cannot be acceptable for the Gators to play this poorly with a roster this talented, and missing the tournament would be an abject failure.
Florida has become in a bottom-half team in a conference it used to dominate alongside Kentucky. While other programs have leaned on proven, veteran coaches and high-level recruiting, the Gators are now once again hoping a second hire from outside a power conference can somehow turn the program around. Indications thus far are not positive." -https://www.onlygators.com/01/16/2024/florida-vs-tennessee-score-takeaways-gators-suffer-latest-road-embarrassment-under-todd-golden/
But when it comes to Real Deal Cajun Willie the same sites are loath to say he's on the hot seat and merrily co-sign his bullshit? Similarly short resumes, but Gator football is far beyond basketball in terms of tradition and resources. Golden has also at least tried changing his approach. I just find it very odd.
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Post by SoTxCaiman on Jan 18, 2024 20:43:26 GMT -5
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Post by Mojave Gator on Jan 18, 2024 23:45:33 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out how that is even possible.
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 19, 2024 12:49:20 GMT -5
I just want to circle back to the fact that the Athletic Director at the University of Florida just said "we'll be older next year" and "there's no such thing as a hot seat." That is really amazing.
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Post by SoTxCaiman on Jan 19, 2024 13:08:24 GMT -5
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 19, 2024 13:10:39 GMT -5
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 19, 2024 14:22:01 GMT -5
“Obviously we’re incredibly young this past year, one of the youngest teams in the country. And you know, it’s just unusual in this day and age of college sports — not just college football, college sports — that the teams with young rosters are going to be successful,” Stricklin said. “You look at the teams that are competing for championships … they’re older squads, right? They’ve got players who have taken their lumps and learned. And it’s really important with this roster in the sport of football at the University of Florida that we can continue to mature it and get older and then figure out how to stay old.
“It’s hard to do in this age of the portal and all the roster movement that we’re seeing across the country. And so, making sure that you understand there’s going to be some attrition, but can you keep a core group together that you can build off of? And Michigan is a great example. They just completed a run like that where they had a core group. JC Deacon, he had a core group that helped bring the title that he kind of built with. I think we’re in the process (in football). I think Billy has that group. We’ve just got to grow with them and then we gotta continue to add to it.”
He may be stupider and more nonsensical than Napier. He even says "right?" to end stupid sentences. Also, what core group are we adding to? Your 2 best players just left, your 3rd best player is off to the draft, you're starting a 6th year Senior at QB, and you've lost over half of the recruiting class from 3 years ago as part of the 23 guys who left via the portal. What is the core group?
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Post by Mojave Gator on Jan 19, 2024 18:22:15 GMT -5
"I think Billy has that group."
Half of his first recruiting class just hit the transfer portal. Our best offensive and defensive players just signed with other SEC schools. We are playing both of them in 2024. Napier has done nothing to address the abysmal offensive play calling or the atrocious special teams. We have one of the country's worst defenses, yet we fired our best coaches on that side of the ball, as evidenced by their quick hiring afterward. Our latest recruiting class sunk like a rock once the kids who were once committed rethought what they were signing up for. What exactly are we supposed to be optimistic about - and what will be the excuse when Lagway hits the transfer portal due to poor development and a lack of playing time?
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 21, 2024 19:46:58 GMT -5
This is where just once I would like an actual follow up question. Who is in that group? Lagway who hasn't played a down of college football? Mertz planning on getting years 7&8? I like some of the young guys on the front 7 and Casteel but we lost half our returning starter including the only possible first day guys in the 25 draft. I think maybe he mentioned the incoming Freshman LBers? What? Just a simple "Why do you think that?" or "Can you elaborate and/or explain that?"
"Maybe some of the guys that decided not to go here didn't want to be here and maybe we were okay with that, so we didn't lose anybody in the literal sense of the word but we didn't make them be here as they were not choosing to be here if that makes sense. Right? Good question."
I really feel like I'm in the twilight zone with these two morons.
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