Send our Dawg home

[GatorsACroc]

Well, guess I will admit it. It has taken me a while to finally admit I was wrong about Muschamp.
Will was a poor choice for UF. I had high hopes for him and still do at a lower lever program or as an assistant at a major power. But, as the years and games have sped by, I can no longer say that Will is SEC HC coaching material.
I have watched one coaching disaster after another and I have cringed time and time again at his loutish behavior to fans, the refs and the media. It is obvious that he can not handle the pressure of UF and the SEC and his tirades are proof of that.
If it was up to me, UF should send our boy back to Athens for some more training. Just like a dog or puppy, sometimes we need a little refresher course in the way we present ourselves and how we behave toward others.
Will is still our Dawg, still family, but he did not learn these behaviors at Georgia. Aggression on the playing field and a little swagger is fine for a player but a HC position calls for a guy who conducts himself with dignity and has respect for the school that is employing him, the officials and the fans - even those who may be yelling insults at him. I no longer recognize the man who stands on the field with the Gators. Where has the fiery, yet good natured Will gone?
So, if it is doable, back up the Brinks truck, load it up with his payout, set the GPS and send our old Dawg home. Maybe UGA can find him a volunteer job on the staff - he sure does not need any more money after what UF will be paying him - and we can start some much needed retraining - beginning with an attitude adjustment.

And while we are discussing bad coaching choices, FSU should develop a backbone, a tiny bit of integrity and a miniscule amount of self respect (guess that is asking WAY too much of the Noles) and send Jimbo back whereever he came from. I doubt retraining will help very much in his case. His case appears hopeless to me. His recent statements in support of Winston are unbelievable - I know I can not believe what I have heard - and an insult to one's intelligence. FSU has been exposed for what they are all about. I pity you Gators having to play the likes of this so called "instituiion of higher learning" every year. They obviously care for nothing bur winning and will suit up anyone who can help them do that - even the likes of Winston.

Just turned on the SEC network and am hearing that your AD has said no changes will be made until the end of the year. Not sure this is good news for my team and the WLOCP.
Ours is a rivcalry game and sometimes all it takes is to get a team riled up and they can overcome a lot of shortcomings even bad coaching. Hope my team takes caare of business and given the desire of UF fans to see Will gone, guess most of you do too. Nothing wrong in that. I remember the Goff years and hoping Auburn would beat us and end our misery. We were that close! and Goff's team pulled out a tie and we had the pleasure of Ray's leadership for another year.

Getting ready for Georgia Florida week. Since UGA has an off week we will be heading south soon.
See everyone at the cocktail party.

[tapsgator]

Have fun GAC. Good to see you.

[GatorsACroc]

Good to hear from you too, taps.

[AL Gator]

Good post, GAC. You ought to come around more often.

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His poor coaching far out way his crappy personality.

[gatordoll]

Great post. And GAC you are totally right on with the FSU analysis. Gators got rid of Cam Newton because of his lack of integrity and morals even though it might have cost us a National Championship.

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lol don't worry about losing the WLOCP. If you remove the 2012 season, Muschamp has beaten a total of ZERO ranked teams and won a total of ZERO games when we were the underdog. Also he doesn't give a shit about our rivalry games like Urban did. It's as close to a sure thing as there is.

UGA 45, UF 10

[GatorsACroc]

Some schools have no problem grabbing up the outcasts from UGA,UF and a few other schools that actually have the guts to think of something other than winning at any cost. Auburn and one time Gator Cam Newton and now UGA's Nick Marshall come immediately to mind. LSU did quite well with Zach Mettenberger who UGA decided was not worthy of being a Dawg.
I've heard that Nick Sabin has said that he will never dismiss a Bama player. Apparently he believes in chance after chance.I am surprised that he can have even the appearance of discipline with his program if there are no big time consequences for bad behavior.
And do not get me started on SOS and Carolina. SOS talks big for someone who was still starting Steven Garcia after his 5th known violation - and rumor had it there were many instances that did not make the headlines.
FSU? What needs to be said? With a complicit HC, and athletic dept and apparently the Tallahassee police force in full agreement, all that matters is keeping star players eligible. And they have honed that goal to perfection at FSU.
Florida and UGA had the character to get rid of those who are not worthy of wearing our uniforms. It is a privilege to play in the SEC and at UGA and UF. If some players do not realize that then it is best that they move on. And the Auburns, FSUs and LSUs of this world are more than eager to grab them up. After all it is all about winning.
Don't know how things are going to turn out with Gurley. The NCAA rule is wrong, but it is the rule and if Gurley violated it, he should pay the price. Hopefully a few games suspension. If his college career is over, it is sad but so be it. He knew the rules. He will go the way of Issah Crowell and others who thought they could flaunt the rules. You might get away with that at other schools, but at UGA you play by the rules or you do not play. Glad to see that UF feels the same. It had to be hard to let Newton go (as much as I hate to say it he was amazing), but you did and that is to your credit.

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^^^This is why I don't have much of a problem with UGA like most UF fans (also helps that I'm only 30 and wasnt around for the ass-whoopings we took pre-Spurrier). They have a lot in common with us. They actually have integrity with suspensions, dismissals, academics, etc. They also have problems with arrests, like us.

The West, OTOH is a complete farce of academic institutions. The fact that they scoop up our dismissed players is unbelievable to me. We literally say this kid is expelled from our university and they have no problem enrolling them in their school. LOL. And yet we are the ones that take all of the heat on the kid. Like that one player who used the dead girl's credit card. UF takes all of the PR damage for it then Ole Miss quietly picks him up a year later and not a peep is said about it. How does that make any sense? Ole Miss KNEW the crime that was committed and still signed him??? Yet we had no idea what the future was going to hold when we signed that kid and the incident occurred and we boot him and we're the bad guys?? Makes no sense. 

Go dawgs

[GatorsACroc]

I hear you Gatorcity.
I am always hearing how many arrests UGA has. Yeah, we do have our share, but there is one BIG difference between UGA and a lot of other schools. The police department in Athens and campus security are not in a conspiracy with the athletic department. When the cops think a kid is guilty of something - most times underage drinking in a bar, marijuana smoking, riding around without a license or seatbelt or the ever popular riding a scooter without a helmet they do not call the athletic dept to come on the quiet and pick him up - or more often than not, just look the other way - they arrest him and the next day it is all over the media.
Not to say we do not have our share of more serious issues, but I am proud to say they are few and far between. And when they do occur, the player - no matter who he is - is usually dismissed before the sun comes up. If you doubt that you might want to speak with LSU's former QB Zach Mettenberger.
The first signee in his recruiting class, Georgia born and bred and a die hard Dawg all of his life, Zach was gone before the ink was dry on his arrest warrant. Even the fact that his mom is Mark Richt's secretary did not save him.

If anything the Athens cops/campus security are a bit too zealous in their duty to protect the fair citizens of Athens. Haines Ward was once arrested for standing in an aisle at a basketball game and another player got hauled in for making a right hand turn from a left hand lane.
Our own Mike Bobo, UGA's OC, got arrested during his playing days for sitting in Allens bar tossing back a cold one. Seems the police were chasing a criminal and he ran into the bar. Once the cops saw Bobo they forgot all about the guy they were chasing and put the cuffs on Bobo. No one knows where the guy they were after went.
He is probably still in the parking lot laughing.
That was a few years ago, but nothing has changed. Athens is still full of Barney Fifes who love nothing more than hauling in an athlete.

UGA also has their own drug policies that are far more stringent other schools. UGA fans are not happy about the unlevel playing field this creates, but most are proud that we enforce the rules. When a starter is sitting on the bench it gets noticed and reported endlessly in the AJC - all for taking a puff off a marijuana cigarette.
I defy any school to conduct a drug test the day after spring break ends. We did. And with the expected results and punishments.

Sorry to go on so, but the unjust criticism of my program without knowing all the facts is one of my biggest pet peeves.

So,Gators, since you seem to share similar feelings about the importance of the enforcement of rules. believing that they build character and turn players into men we can point to with pride, the next time some FSU or Auburn idiot makes some smart remark about our "criminals", it might be a good idea to enlighten them.

If you have no rules that you actually enforce, an administration and athletic department, as well as a police force that does everything it can to keep players eligible and a coach who basically gives the finger to any criticism of his methods or the star player who "never lies" to him (yes FSU I AM talking about you primarily, as well as a host of others) it is easy to say someone else has a lot of arrests.

Compared to schools that cover up, look the other way or simply say "no big deal!", yeah I guess we do.

[gatorair]

there goes the neighborhood!!

[GatorsACroc]

I assume you are referring to me, air. No worry, it was a slow day and I just dropped by.
I know that most here prefer this site to be for Gators only - I understand - but I do miss the old days when there were fans from a lot of schools here. This was a unique place and I have not found a place that compares with what this board was when it was FRZ. So many great posters from all over the country - and no banning because one did not share the same viewpoints.
You were free to say what you wished, within the lines of common decency and it was great fun. I learned a lot and actually found that even Gators, Noles(hard to believe, but true) and Vols could be likeable and had things worth listening to. I even liked that TechGator guy. Go figure.
Hope things are going well in the city by the lake.

[Mojave Gator]

GAC, that time may return. As soon as we are past the current crisis, we will have to determine what our role is going forward. Hopefully the people who have joined us in recent months will have seen enough that they like that they will hang around even after we're rid of Will the Thrill.

Glad that you stopped by.

[GatorsACroc]

Thanks Mo.
I 'd love it if the board became like it was in the old FRZ days. Should that happen, count me in.

[Mojave Gator]

That was a very special place.

[GatorsACroc]

Yes it sure was!

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Oct 20, 2014 20:24:31 GMT -5 GatorsACroc said:

I hear you Gatorcity.
I am always hearing how many arrests UGA has. Yeah, we do have our share, but there is one BIG difference between UGA and a lot of other schools. The police department in Athens and campus security are not in a conspiracy with the athletic department. When the cops think a kid is guilty of something - most times underage drinking in a bar, marijuana smoking, riding around without a license or seatbelt or the ever popular riding a scooter without a helmet they do not call the athletic dept to come on the quiet and pick him up - or more often than not, just look the other way - they arrest him and the next day it is all over the media.
Not to say we do not have our share of more serious issues, but I am proud to say they are few and far between. And when they do occur, the player - no matter who he is - is usually dismissed before the sun comes up. If you doubt that you might want to speak with LSU's former QB Zach Mettenberger.
The first signee in his recruiting class, Georgia born and bred and a die hard Dawg all of his life, Zach was gone before the ink was dry on his arrest warrant. Even the fact that his mom is Mark Richt's secretary did not save him.

If anything the Athens cops/campus security are a bit too zealous in their duty to protect the fair citizens of Athens. Haines Ward was once arrested for standing in an aisle at a basketball game and another player got hauled in for making a right hand turn from a left hand lane.
Our own Mike Bobo, UGA's OC, got arrested during his playing days for sitting in Allens bar tossing back a cold one. Seems the police were chasing a criminal and he ran into the bar. Once the cops saw Bobo they forgot all about the guy they were chasing and put the cuffs on Bobo. No one knows where the guy they were after went.
He is probably still in the parking lot laughing.
That was a few years ago, but nothing has changed. Athens is still full of Barney Fifes who love nothing more than hauling in an athlete.

UGA also has their own drug policies that are far more stringent other schools. UGA fans are not happy about the unlevel playing field this creates, but most are proud that we enforce the rules. When a starter is sitting on the bench it gets noticed and reported endlessly in the AJC - all for taking a puff off a marijuana cigarette.
I defy any school to conduct a drug test the day after spring break ends. We did. And with the expected results and punishments.

Sorry to go on so, but the unjust criticism of my program without knowing all the facts is one of my biggest pet peeves.

So,Gators, since you seem to share similar feelings about the importance of the enforcement of rules. believing that they build character and turn players into men we can point to with pride, the next time some FSU or Auburn idiot makes some smart remark about our "criminals", it might be a good idea to enlighten them.

If you have no rules that you actually enforce, an administration and athletic department, as well as a police force that does everything it can to keep players eligible and a coach who basically gives the finger to any criticism of his methods or the star player who "never lies" to him (yes FSU I AM talking about you primarily, as well as a host of others) it is easy to say someone else has a lot of arrests.

Compared to schools that cover up, look the other way or simply say "no big deal!", yeah I guess we do.

That's why it always makes me laugh when people call UF a dirty program and lump us in with FSU and Miami because of "all the arrests" under Urban Meyer. I don't understand how players (students) doing dumb stuff and getting arrested for it (and then suspended or dismissed) makes you a dirty program. In fact, the opposite is true. It's cleaner that way right? Isn't FSU and Bama and all those places where the players DON'T get arrested for their transgressions (and therefore stay on the playing field) the dirty ones? Or let me guess, some people out there think that players at UF and UGA are just way more criminal in nature than their counterparts at LSU, Bama, Auburn, etc?? Only kids at UF and UGA smoke pot, drive without a license, commit disorderly conduct, etc right? When we recruit the same players from the same region of the country. Riiiiiiight. How naive can you be? 

I live in NC and the perception up here of UF is a dirty program and we are no different than FSU, Miami and academically worthless, which is funny because we're probably just as good as their flagship school UNC. So the GPD is making a mark on UF by arresting so many players, for sure. Same as in Athens it sounds like from your post.