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Post by tapsgator on Dec 7, 2022 13:07:39 GMT -5
You suck. Go away. You took over in 2016, football ended that year ranked 14, started the next year ranked 17. It has ended the last 2 seasons unranked and will start 2023 unranked for the second straight year. That has happened exactly once since 1990 courtesy of Will Muschamp. The basketball team has missed the NCAA tournament 2 of the last 3 years despite it being easier than ever to get into said tournament. We haven't gotten past the second round of the tournament since your first year. We haven't seen a stretch like that 1990. The baseball team hasn't made a super-regional the last 4 years, the longest stretch since they introduced the Super Regional.
Now let's delve into the women's sports shall we? Newbauer and D'Amato. We done? Cool. Good talk.
The constant here is you. You are not good at your job. Not any aspect of it. You should leave now and go to a smaller school with less demands where it is easier to forgive and forget mistakes and cover up incompetence. How you have managed to keep the job as long as you have is a mystery, probably because Fuchs considers himself an academic and above all this athletic frivolity (never mind that it funds the rest of the university). You would have been fired 5 times over by Bernie at this point. So, do the right thing for everybody involved and ride off into the sunset. You can take credit for the facilities upgrades that should one day lead to success when a remotely competent replacement is running the show. Blame the spoiled fanbase, pull a Mullen's wife and bitch about the grocery stores and locals, claim burnout, whatever gets you through the day, but go back to Mississippi and play your cowbell. You can retire a folk hero. It's best for everybody involved. You talked about crying yourself to sleep (okay I may have exaggerated that but I like the imagery) when you took the Florida job, so now right that wrong. No need for your or Jeremy Foley to be involved in any way, shape, or form with Gator athletics at this point, it just tarnishes your respective legacies. Good luck and God Speed.
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Post by SoTxCaiman on Dec 7, 2022 14:22:38 GMT -5
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Post by soflaisgatorcountry on Dec 7, 2022 17:01:10 GMT -5
Sadly he's just Foley's puppet. Foley did not enjoy catching the heat for Muschamp's double extensions and then the Mac hire late in his tenure and "retired", but hand picked Striklin as his successor. Foley also still has an office in the Ath Dept, lingers around the building and still is involved with the higher ups. Basically he hired Stricklin to get the facilities built that Foley let Fla fall behind on as thats what Stricklin was known for at Miss St.
Stricklin sucks and deserves to be fired but Football will never be what we saw under Spurrier and Meyer (Foley was lucky Meyer had a previous relationship with then school president Machen) unless they strike gold on a top tier coaching hire. Sadly the "All Sports Equal" obsessed Puppet Master/unofficial AD Foley still has pull in the Ath Dept thus why Fla constantly keeps hiring unproven up and comers for the job. Ill blame Stricklin rather than Foley for the Mullen hire because we all know Foley and Mullen butted heads when he left for Miss St which truly shows why Stricklin stinks as well.
I dont think GA, Bama, Ohio St, LSU, Clemson etc. would ever publicly brand themselves as an "all sports school"'"all sports equal school" nor promote "Top 5 Academic institution" as a recruiting pitch. Its not that non football sports aren't supported nor should be ignored but it plays into that dream of being the "Stanford of the South" more so than ensuring football (the actual money generating sport) is elite and up to par with the top current programs. Also i am not knocking Fla for being a Top 5 public school and top 33 overall, but its not the sales pitch that is going to land the elite recruits who are focused on football and a future career in the NFL. Just the same as an engineering major or medical student isn't focused on the record of the football team when choosing a university to prepare them for their future career after college.
Im with you on firing Stricklin but i also want to see Jeremy Foley go home and not be involved in Gator athletics anymore. Hopefully Napier is the guy, but it will be a couple years before we really can get a good gauge on that.
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Post by gatordoll on Dec 7, 2022 18:17:32 GMT -5
Stanford of the South is Vandy imo, and they beat us handily. Yes Stricklin was hired to build the facilities, well done. Maybe ya'll are correct, time to go....
With Texas and Oklahoma coming into the SEC I doubt we will ever get to be National Champs again, at least in not my lifetime.
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Post by Mojave Gator on Dec 7, 2022 19:58:20 GMT -5
For the life of me, I can't understand why so many people still hold Jeremy Foley in such high esteem. He made the three worst hires in school history to head the football program, and the only one that was right during his tenure wasn't his hire. In many respects he is another Dan Mullen - a lot less astute than he believes that he is. The prime example of that was the fiasco of a coaching search that ensued when Steve Spurrier left in 2002. Any AD worth anything has a short list of people who he wants to talk to in the event that his head coach leaves. Foley had Mike Shanahan, who wasn't leaving an NFL team that he took to a Super Bowl for a college job; Bob Stoops, who wasn't going to leave a program that he had just built into a national champion; and Ron Zook, who was demoted on the previous staff because he sucked as a defensive coordinator. He was also about to be fired at his job as DC for the New Orleans Saints because his defense collapsed down the stretch and cost them a playoff spot. Even when he got the hire badly wrong - which he did three times - he would jump in with a contract extension and dig in when it was obvious that the coach should be fired, just so that he could be proven right.
Get him out of the building.
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Post by soflaisgatorcountry on Dec 8, 2022 7:38:25 GMT -5
Stanford of the South is Vandy imo, and they beat us handily. Yes Stricklin was hired to build the facilities, well done. Maybe ya'll are correct, time to go.... With Texas and Oklahoma coming into the SEC I doubt we will ever get to be National Champs again, at least in not my lifetime. Vandy is closer to that moniker but it is like that has been Foley's goal as opposed to being Bama under Saban. Stanford is a great school for all around sports but whens the last time they won a national title in either football, baseball or basketball? They produce great talent and win "the right way" but winning "the right way" gets old after youve won at the highest level and you arent actually winning in football anymore lol. 2013, 2017, 2021, 2022 Gator Football hit new bottoms |
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Post by Mojave Gator on Dec 8, 2022 19:55:11 GMT -5
Stanford is a great school for all around sports but when's the last time they won a national title in either football, baseball or basketball? They produce great talent and win "the right way" but winning "the right way" gets old after you've won at the highest level and you aren't actually winning in football anymore lol. I have to chuckle whenever I see a Pac-12 game on television and they crow about the "conference of champions". Non-revenue sports and John Wooden's basketball dynasty at UCLA aside, what championships are they winning exactly? |
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 6, 2023 12:41:07 GMT -5
Worst start for Gator Basketball since 95 as Golden sees Napier's D+ grade for year one and says "hold my beer."
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Post by gatorgibson on Jan 6, 2023 13:08:31 GMT -5
Worst start for Gator Basketball since 95 as Golden sees Napier's D+ grade for year one and says "hold my beer." This team is very hard to watch. They play decent defense but offensively they are terrible! Can't hit 3 pointers and miss more easy layups than any team i have watched in a long time. The only things left are baseball and softball, hoping one of the two have a good season. |
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Post by Mojave Gator on Jan 6, 2023 22:51:30 GMT -5
Stanford of the South is Vandy imo, and they beat us handily. Yes Stricklin was hired to build the facilities, well done. Maybe ya'll are correct, time to go.... With Texas and Oklahoma coming into the SEC I doubt we will ever get to be National Champs again, at least in not my lifetime. Vandy is closer to that moniker but it is like that has been Foley's goal as opposed to being Bama under Saban. Stanford is a great school for all around sports but whens the last time they won a national title in either football, baseball or basketball? They produce great talent and win "the right way" but winning "the right way" gets old after youve won at the highest level and you arent actually winning in football anymore lol. 2013, 2017, 2021, 2022 Gator Football hit new bottoms The Vanderbilt analogy is appropriate. In many ways, Stanford is at the same disadvantage in the Pac-12 that Vanderbilt is under in the SEC due to their academic standards. Stanford can't pursue a lot of the athletes who sign with and star at USC, UCLA, Washington or Oregon. An interesting aside: Many years ago a couple approached Harvard University about making a major donation, if they would name a building on campus after their son. University officials apparently didn't take them seriously, and they said no. Instead, the couple established a university in California that bears his name: Leland Stanford, Jr. |
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Post by tapsgator on Mar 15, 2023 14:29:39 GMT -5
Worst start for Gator Basketball since 95 as Golden sees Napier's D+ grade for year one and says "hold my beer." Gonna assume the final grade will be lower than this since it was written before we went completely in the crapper and Castleton got injured: Florida's 2021-22 Year-End KenPom Rank: 59 2022-23 Preseason KenPom Rank: 35 Current KenPom Rank: 55 Coach's Grade: C- "After getting San Francisco into the NCAA tournament for the first time since 1998, Todd Golden was the hottest name on the coaching carousel. Florida nabbed the then-36-year-old rising star in the hope that he might pan out as well as Billy Donovan, the 30-year-old it hired back in 1996. Like Gates at Missouri, Golden hit the transfer portal hard, bringing in Will Richard from Belmont, Alex Fudge from LSU, Trey Bonham from VMI and Kyle Lofton from St. Bonaventure. All four rank among the top six on the team in scoring, pairing nicely with the Gators' lone impact returnee, Colin Castleton. However, as far as wins and losses go, the early returns haven't been great. The Gators got smoked by both Connecticut and West Virginia, gave up 90 points in a loss to Xavier and lost at home to Florida Atlantic. Their best win thus far was at Florida State, which isn't saying much, as the Seminoles are a disaster this year. Simply put, if the NCAA tournament began today, Florida wouldn't be in it. Worse yet, Golden hasn't done much on the recruiting trail. He did sign current freshman Riley Kugel shortly after getting the gig, but he has only one 3-star player thus far in next year's class. That's inexcusable for a program as noteworthy and as surrounded by high school talent as Florida is." bleacherreport.com/articles/10058203-way-too-early-grades-for-mens-college-basketball-1st-year-head-coachesStricklin sucks |
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Post by Mojave Gator on Mar 16, 2023 15:31:24 GMT -5
Herein lies the problem of hiring a coach based upon one season. There is no history of continuity. Opening the checkbook due to what could be a one-off is incredibly risky.
Our top two revenue sports are complete dumpster fires, and I have no reason for optimism. None. I have decided not to make the trip to Salt Lake for the football season opener. The cheapest ticket that I can find is over $300, plus air fare, rental car, hotel and food. I'm not going to drop a grand to watch us get throttled on the road, and to put up with the inevitable crap from the home fans. I can watch for free at the Gator Club watch party, I can get a good meal for less than a mortgage payment, and I will have people to commiserate with.
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Post by Rock Gator on Mar 17, 2023 7:49:05 GMT -5
My theory on all these recent bad hires is called the Bobby Bowden Fallacy. They want to duplicate the long run of success that FSU had with Bobby Bowden, whom they hired in 1976 at age 47. He was there for the next 33 years and that's what ADs want - a guy they don't have to worry about for 33 years. They want to be lazy and not have to fire+hire for decades.
Now, the fallacy comes in hiring unproven guys in the hope they will be around for decades. In reality, it is the *cause* of all the firing and hiring we've seen in the last decade+. As my old boss used to say "hope is not a plan" and hoping these guys become great does not make them great. If you're really taking the long term approach you need to identify coaches who not only *would* stay at Florida for a long time, but who *can win* for a long time. That takes foresight and keeping multiple coaches on your radar who you track over time. It's strategic in the real sense of the word. These guys are tactical with a "strategy" that involves a lot of "hope". "Let's hire this guy and hope for the best".
And that my friends, is the Bobby Bowden Fallacy.
RG
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Post by tapsgator on Mar 17, 2023 9:49:21 GMT -5
I agree, but with the qualifier that in Jeremy Foley's case I truly believe he is narcissistic to the point of utter and complete delusion. So, along with the Bowden fallacy, he also believes in his own legend which in his mind somehow includes Steve Spurrier (I feel like he takes credit for this) and Urban Meyer (who he was told to hire) in football and Billy D in basketball (we can give him that one). I've talked about it before but I think Muschamp was going to be his Billy D football hire (why I have absolutely no idea) and then he tried to dress Jim McElwain up as a major coup. It's easy to forget how bad some of these hires are so here you go: www.si.com/college/2014/12/03/jeremy-foley-florida-will-muschamp-jim-mcelwainAs bad as Foley was for the last decade of his tenure, Stricklin is absolutely, unequivocally worse. Granted he has help from Jeremy Foley, but at some point this falls on the president, and as much as I hate to say it, the fans. The media has been pumping this narrative of "spoiled fans" for 20 years now. I feel like it's a form of Stockholm syndrome. Both of these coaches should be on the hot seat. Period. |
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Post by tapsgator on Mar 17, 2023 12:26:44 GMT -5
Herein lies the problem of hiring a coach based upon one season. There is no history of continuity. Opening the checkbook due to what could be a one-off is incredibly risky. Our top two revenue sports are complete dumpster fires, and I have no reason for optimism. None. I have decided not to make the trip to Salt Lake for the football season opener. The cheapest ticket that I can find is over $300, plus air fare, rental car, hotel and food. I'm not going to drop a grand to watch us get throttled on the road, and to put up with the inevitable crap from the home fans. I can watch for free at the Gator Club watch party, I can get a good meal for less than a mortgage payment, and I will have people to commiserate with. I completely understand and agree. I'll order SEC Championship tickets in my PSLs with no real hope that we'll be there, but I can always sell those or choose to watch real football. The no reason for optimism is really my issue. We'll be lucky to be favored in 5 games next year. When Napier came in he was highly thought of for his attention to detail and clear vision for the program. I feel like that should entail a plan. Pretty detailed one. Not just hiring lots of people and asking for an upgrade in the facilities. I unfortunately had a front row seat to Kirby building Georgia. That was a plan. He took Saban's blue print and it took awhile but he eventually got it running better than Saban. There was some trial and error in the minutia and some bumps in the road, but there was always a plan. I feel like there's a disconnect, I think Napier knows what he wants the finished product to look like but he doesn't really know how he wants to get there. His time so far has been a lot of that. Let's not mistake a vision of your ideal finished product (I'm assuming every successful coach has an ideal) with a plan of how to get there. It feels like he wants to prove to people that the Napier way works, and not just in the Sunbelt. Maybe he's right, maybe he's wrong, but what's not going to change is that it's going to be a lot easier to win in the Sunbelt than the SEC and the clock is ticking |
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Post by Mojave Gator on Mar 17, 2023 19:50:25 GMT -5
I agree, but with the qualifier that in Jeremy Foley's case I truly believe he is narcissistic to the point of utter and complete delusion. One need only look at his coaching search after Steve Spurrier left in January 2001 as an illustration. There were three people on his short list: Former UF DC Bob Stoops, who had just won a national championship in his second year at Oklahoma after following two disastrous hires, who was not about to leave immediately after a NC for a rebuilding project; Mike Shanahan, who had won two Super Bowls with the Denver Broncos, and had John Elway as his QB, who was therefore in no hurry to jump back into the college recruiting rat race; and the one guy who wouldn't say no, who had been demoted on the Florida staff because he couldn't handle being DC, let alone head coach, and who was about to be fired as DC by the New Orleans Saints because his defense had cost them a playoff spot. Foley doubled down by offering Zook an extension after an 8-5 season and an Outback Bowl loss to Michigan in the "Rex was open" game. Muschamp was his crowning glory, although I could argue that McElwain was equally as bad. Foley's lack of foresight and poor preparation (while operating under the delusion that he knew more than anyone) pushed the football program into a downward spiral that it has yet to recover from. |
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Post by g8rfan on Mar 18, 2023 12:57:59 GMT -5
I liked the part where he said Spurrier would have to go through the interview process if he wanted to come back. That part was awesome. What a tool bag.
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Post by wahhappen on Mar 18, 2023 17:36:24 GMT -5
I liked the part where he said Spurrier would have to go through the interview process if he wanted to come back. That part was awesome. What a tool bag. I always forget to give Foley credit for sending Spurrier to South Carolina. I also wonder if Zook would have ever landed a head coaching gig had it not been for him. It was such a bizarre hire. I wouldn’t have been more surprised if I’d woken up with my head sewn to the carpet that day. |
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Post by Mojave Gator on Mar 19, 2023 22:40:17 GMT -5
I liked the part where he said Spurrier would have to go through the interview process if he wanted to come back. That part was awesome. What a tool bag. I always forget to give Foley credit for sending Spurrier to South Carolina. I also wonder if Zook would have ever landed a head coaching gig had it not been for him. It was such a bizarre hire. I wouldn’t have been more surprised if I’d woken up with my head sewn to the carpet that day. People who didn't follow the Florida program didn't understand our revulsion over Ron Zook. To the casual outsider, it seemed that we just railed against whoever replaced Steve Spurrier. In reality, we were all too familiar with Ron Zook. Our defense was worse and less talented every year that he was the coordinator, and it was only after he was removed and replaced that we won our first national title. It was in inexcusable hire. |
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Post by Rock Gator on Mar 20, 2023 6:47:50 GMT -5
I liked the part where he said Spurrier would have to go through the interview process if he wanted to come back. That part was awesome. What a tool bag. I always forget to give Foley credit for sending Spurrier to South Carolina. I also wonder if Zook would have ever landed a head coaching gig had it not been for him. It was such a bizarre hire. I wouldn’t have been more surprised if I’d woken up with my head sewn to the carpet that day. Like we all haven't been there... |
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Post by tapsgator on Mar 21, 2023 10:28:27 GMT -5
Category: Florida Gator Sports
Inept athletic directors for $1000
1979.
"when was the last time that the Gators had losing seasons in both basketball and football the same year?"
These two idiots should be ashamed of themselves. They've set the program back more than 40 years.
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Post by SoTxCaiman on Mar 21, 2023 11:05:45 GMT -5
Category: Florida Gator Sports Inept athletic directors for $1000 1979. "when was the last time that the Gators had losing seasons in both basketball and football the same year?" These two idiots should be ashamed of themselves. They've set the program back more than 40 years. Alternate answer...... "What was SoTxCaiman's Freshman/Sophomore year at UF?" Back then they were on the Quarter system. I started Fall Quarter of 78. Damn I'm old. |
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Post by Mojave Gator on Mar 22, 2023 10:34:24 GMT -5
Category: Florida Gator Sports Inept athletic directors for $1000 1979. "when was the last time that the Gators had losing seasons in both basketball and football the same year?" These two idiots should be ashamed of themselves. They've set the program back more than 40 years. Alternate answer...... "What was SoTxCaiman's Freshman/Sophomore year at UF?" Back then they were on the Quarter system. I started Fall Quarter of 78. Damn I'm old. I was five years ahead of you. Was interesting when I transferred to Oklahoma from Florida. UF was on quarters, OU was on semesters. I was watching the advisor calculating my hours, one quarter hour equaled two thirds of a semester hour. I had to take an additional course in my major field because I was short a third of an hour when everything was tallied up. |
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Post by tapsgator on Mar 23, 2023 10:09:47 GMT -5
Back then they were on the Quarter system. I started Fall Quarter of 78. Damn I'm old. Alternate answer...... "What was SoTxCaiman's Freshman/Sophomore year at UF?" Back then they were on the Quarter system. I started Fall Quarter of 78. Damn I'm old. I was five years ahead of you. Was interesting when I transferred to Oklahoma from Florida. UF was on quarters, OU was on semesters. I was watching the advisor calculating my hours, one quarter hour equaled two thirds of a semester hour. I had to take an additional course in my major field because I was short a third of an hour when everything was tallied up. Like fine wine boys. So here's a little something to keep us excited while we bide our time waiting to see who wins the Graham Mertz-Jack Miller battle for the ages: Gator basketball just had a 4th kid enter the transfer portal. It will be interesting to see if we wind up giving scholarships to the top players from the intramural leagues in order to have an 8 man rotation. Or maybe we could just pull people out of the stands? It would be taking the Texas A&M special teams thing to a whole new level. Here's Pat Dooley in the most Dooley-esque of articles: gatorswire.usatoday.com/lists/florida-football-basketball-12-reasons-mired-in-mediocrity-pat-dooley/?itm_source=parsely-apiHe just wasted so many words when he could have just espoused the various company lines for the past 15 years (spoiled fans, not our fault, the rules aren't fair, we're a target, NIL) and then sprinkled in just a dab of reality: the administration and the coaches they've hired have alternately had no plan or been slow to react to change and doubled down on the same mistakes over and over and over, and done that whole thing in 2 paragraphs. |
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Post by Mojave Gator on Mar 24, 2023 1:03:19 GMT -5
I liked the part where he said Spurrier would have to go through the interview process if he wanted to come back. That part was awesome. What a tool bag. I always forget to give Foley credit for sending Spurrier to South Carolina. I also wonder if Zook would have ever landed a head coaching gig had it not been for him. It was such a bizarre hire. I wouldn’t have been more surprised if I’d woken up with my head sewn to the carpet that day. Zook had been a coach for about 20 years, and high school was the only level at which he had ever been a head coach. He made DC two or three times, but never lasted for more than one season in the job anywhere but Florida. He kept getting jobs, but only Foley gave him the keys to a program until the AD at Illinois thought that he was getting a bargain. We know how that ended. Of all of the guys who Foley brought in as head coach, only Jim McElwain remains at that level, and he had a losing record at Central Michigan last year. Zook and Muschamp both got second shots at Power 5 jobs, and both went down in flames. Must have been hangover from the spoiled Florida fans. BTW, don't sweat basketball, Taps. I still have four years of athletic eligibility left. |
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