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Post by tapsgator on Nov 3, 2022 13:55:00 GMT -5
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Post by Mojave Gator on Nov 3, 2022 15:52:44 GMT -5
I'm voting Pierce because the writers and even scouts aren't payed 7 million a year. Pierce has also done it for a 1-5-1 team that isn't good offensively. |
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Post by SoTxCaiman on Nov 3, 2022 16:12:46 GMT -5
Anybody else click the side story on the first Pierce link? Felipe Franks turning heads with Atlanta Falcons as a tight end. Story is 2 + months old, now I have to see how that played out Falcons roster wise.
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Post by wahhappen on Nov 3, 2022 16:21:37 GMT -5
I would say there is no way in hell a real NFL franchise would take Richardson as the #2 QB prospect, but Jamarcus Russell was once drafted to play that position.
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Post by tapsgator on Nov 4, 2022 11:14:43 GMT -5
Anybody else click the side story on the first Pierce link? Felipe Franks turning heads with Atlanta Falcons as a tight end. Story is 2 + months old, now I have to see how that played out Falcons roster wise. He made it, not really ever playing at TE, but gets a few snaps. Mainly a way to carry 3 QBs and he is the holder. |
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Post by tapsgator on Nov 4, 2022 11:31:25 GMT -5
I would say there is no way in hell a real NFL franchise would take Richardson as the #2 QB prospect, but Jamarcus Russell was once drafted to play that position. Yeah, I mean he'll go, and probably higher than he should, if he declares just because NFL coaches and GMs are largely egomaniacs who think they can coach up anything and there's not many years where the biggest, fastest, and strongest arm are all in one package. The only draft I can think of is Cam. Was going to say Josh Allen but Lamar Jackson was in that class. With all that, I still don't know if he'll get into the first round this year. I know some people think he'd go undrafted but there's no way he gets out of the third round. It only takes one front office to fall in love with potential and somebody will most likely take a flier in the first 100 picks. Thing is, if he comes back and shows any improvement whatsoever, even if it's just calling more runs or looking to run more, his stock immediately becomes mid to late first round, if he shows moderate improvement with better accuracy and/or touch, he becomes a top 10 pick, and if he shows good improvement he'll go 1 overall. That was Napier's pitch after Utah game and I don't see any reason why it should/would change. So, I really hope he comes back. If I was his agent being totally objective (because my money is linked to his) I think the smart play is definitely coming back to UF if he has faith in the staff and they commit to designing an offense and calling plays that showcase his strengths. If he doesn't think they can turn it around, I'd say go to a school with a proven QB developer, most obvious would be Riley at USC but he'd have to wait a year behind Williams, so right now I'd say it would come down to Ohio State (inside track), Alabama, and Tennessee (that would be my pick based solely on his future). Wherever he would potentially go they'll pay him big NIL money and start a Heisman campaign for him out of the gate. That may bring Miami into play as well. We need to make sure he feels that the best place is Gainesville. Should have the inside track since it's his hometown, but it's a new world and it remains to be seen if we're going to adjust to the new rules or just bitch about the unfairness of it all. |
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Post by wahhappen on Nov 4, 2022 19:57:32 GMT -5
I would say there is no way in hell a real NFL franchise would take Richardson as the #2 QB prospect, but Jamarcus Russell was once drafted to play that position. Yeah, I mean he'll go, and probably higher than he should, if he declares just because NFL coaches and GMs are largely egomaniacs who think they can coach up anything and there's not many years where the biggest, fastest, and strongest arm are all in one package. The only draft I can think of is Cam. Was going to say Josh Allen but Lamar Jackson was in that class. With all that, I still don't know if he'll get into the first round this year. I know some people think he'd go undrafted but there's no way he gets out of the third round. It only takes one front office to fall in love with potential and somebody will most likely take a flier in the first 100 picks. Thing is, if he comes back and shows any improvement whatsoever, even if it's just calling more runs or looking to run more, his stock immediately becomes mid to late first round, if he shows moderate improvement with better accuracy and/or touch, he becomes a top 10 pick, and if he shows good improvement he'll go 1 overall. That was Napier's pitch after Utah game and I don't see any reason why it should/would change. So, I really hope he comes back. If I was his agent being totally objective (because my money is linked to his) I think the smart play is definitely coming back to UF if he has faith in the staff and they commit to designing an offense and calling plays that showcase his strengths. If he doesn't think they can turn it around, I'd say go to a school with a proven QB developer, most obvious would be Riley at USC but he'd have to wait a year behind Williams, so right now I'd say it would come down to Ohio State (inside track), Alabama, and Tennessee (that would be my pick based solely on his future). Wherever he would potentially go they'll pay him big NIL money and start a Heisman campaign for him out of the gate. That may bring Miami into play as well. We need to make sure he feels that the best place is Gainesville. Should have the inside track since it's his hometown, but it's a new world and it remains to be seen if we're going to adjust to the new rules or just bitch about the unfairness of it all. Oh, I think he’ll get drafted and maybe even in the first round. I just don’t think he should be at this point. He needs another year to prove he can mentally handle a full season when he is scouted 24-7 by high caliber coaching and athletes. He isn’t getting much help from the receivers, but he struggles to even complete a screen pass at times. I think the accuracy is in there somewhere, but he is just too inconsistent right now. He reminds me of a smarter version of Vince Young. When he’s on, he’s on. |
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Post by gatorgibson on Nov 5, 2022 5:13:59 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean he'll go, and probably higher than he should, if he declares just because NFL coaches and GMs are largely egomaniacs who think they can coach up anything and there's not many years where the biggest, fastest, and strongest arm are all in one package. The only draft I can think of is Cam. Was going to say Josh Allen but Lamar Jackson was in that class. With all that, I still don't know if he'll get into the first round this year. I know some people think he'd go undrafted but there's no way he gets out of the third round. It only takes one front office to fall in love with potential and somebody will most likely take a flier in the first 100 picks. Thing is, if he comes back and shows any improvement whatsoever, even if it's just calling more runs or looking to run more, his stock immediately becomes mid to late first round, if he shows moderate improvement with better accuracy and/or touch, he becomes a top 10 pick, and if he shows good improvement he'll go 1 overall. That was Napier's pitch after Utah game and I don't see any reason why it should/would change. So, I really hope he comes back. If I was his agent being totally objective (because my money is linked to his) I think the smart play is definitely coming back to UF if he has faith in the staff and they commit to designing an offense and calling plays that showcase his strengths. If he doesn't think they can turn it around, I'd say go to a school with a proven QB developer, most obvious would be Riley at USC but he'd have to wait a year behind Williams, so right now I'd say it would come down to Ohio State (inside track), Alabama, and Tennessee (that would be my pick based solely on his future). Wherever he would potentially go they'll pay him big NIL money and start a Heisman campaign for him out of the gate. That may bring Miami into play as well. We need to make sure he feels that the best place is Gainesville. Should have the inside track since it's his hometown, but it's a new world and it remains to be seen if we're going to adjust to the new rules or just bitch about the unfairness of it all. Oh, I think he’ll get drafted and maybe even in the first round. I just don’t think he should be at this point. He needs another year to prove he can mentally handle a full season when he is scouted 24-7 by high caliber coaching and athletes. He isn’t getting much help from the receivers, but he struggles to even complete a screen pass at times. I think the accuracy is in there somewhere, but he is just too inconsistent right now. He reminds me of a smarter version of Vince Young. When he’s on, he’s on. 100% agree! |
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Post by tapsgator on Nov 7, 2022 12:26:54 GMT -5
Yeah I'd like Justin Fields to slow his roll a little bit, he came out way more polished than AR but not as physically gifted which is insane because Justin Fields ran a 4.45 and has a cannon. If he continues to excel using mainly his legs and Richardson keeps averaging 10+ yards per carry even with sack yardage counting against him you could get a rebuilding and/or run first team chomping at the bit. The idea of Richardson back there instead of Malik Willis would have to be appealing to a team like Tennessee or the idea of having the most exciting physical prospect since Cam learning at the feet of the great Jared Goof might be something that Lions fans would get behind. Washington wants to be run first and Riverboat Ron won 3 straight division titles and went to the Super Bowl with Cam before Newton started wearing bonnets and dresses (nothing wrong with that, live your life Cam).
Again, in no way, shape, or form does Richardson's current resume or on-field product look like a Fields, Newton, or Lamar Jackson but the tools do, and nobody has lost any money over-estimating the ego/narcissism of NFL front offices.
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Post by Mojave Gator on Nov 7, 2022 12:53:51 GMT -5
The ideal situation for Richardson would be a team who needs a QB in 2-3 years. IMO he would simply flame out if he were pushed into a starting role right away (see JaMarcus Russell as a cautionary tale). His skills are too raw for the pro game as they stand, and he would need the additional time to polish them. The physical tools are there.
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Post by tapsgator on Nov 8, 2022 11:08:45 GMT -5
The ideal situation for Richardson would be a team who needs a QB in 2-3 years. IMO he would simply flame out if he were pushed into a starting role right away (see JaMarcus Russell as a cautionary tale). His skills are too raw for the pro game as they stand, and he would need the additional time to polish them. The physical tools are there. Agreed, the real ideal situation is at least another year in college. I don't think he will grow much as a player sitting on the bench because you can't simulate NFL game speed in practice/training camp/private workouts or guys would constantly get injured. And he's not afraid to get injured. If he leaves now I think he winds up with a mediocre team with a GM and coach that are trying to save their respective jobs. Let's say it's Detroit. As soon as the lose to the Bears with Fields running for 100+, probably going to happen this year, the media and fans will start the theory "we need a mobile QB." The GM and Campbell will sign off on that because it's someone else's fault that they are stuck with Jared Goff. That buys them a year. They start Goff in 23 and go 1-7. Lose games to guys like Lamar Jackson, Hurts, Fields, Allen maybe even Bryce Young. At that point they're going to AR who is their "new toy," the fact that all those guys were 5 years ahead of AR in their development be damned. I don't think he turns into Russell because that dude was sloppy going into the draft and then went full fat alcoholic as soon as he got paid because he could throw the ball 65 yards from a knee. If there was a comp it would be Vince Young (only with different lifestyle choices) but Young was also years ahead of him in terms of development and game reps against good competition. The game was also different and even with all that Young was out of the league within 5 years (meaning there was other stuff going on). He needs to come back, they need to coach him up better, and they need to call plays that maximize his production and draft stock. Those plays are one in the same. In the meantime somebody hook him up with competitive NIL money. We've seen flashes of a generational talent. Those will get you drafted. Probably first round because they're so freaking rare. If he puts it together though? Definitely going #1 overall. His talent is just that good. We've never had one of those, it would be a cool feather in Napier's hat if he coaches up the first. |
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Post by Mojave Gator on Nov 8, 2022 17:57:50 GMT -5
There is a lot of grousing here about the Raiders and Derek Carr. So far the only name that I have heard brought up among the current crop of college QBs is Bryce Young. It remains to be seen if the Raiders will get a high enough draft pick to get a difference-making QB. The wrong approach, IMO, is what the Jaguars did with Trevor Lawrence a year ago. They had a serviceable QB in Gardner Minshew, who wasn't costing a boatload of money. Instead of keeping Minshew and easing Lawrence into the lineup without the burden of carrying the entire load, they traded Minshew and threw Lawrence out there as the starter from day one.
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Post by g8rfan on Nov 9, 2022 14:13:30 GMT -5
Yeah I'd like Justin Fields to slow his roll a little bit, he came out way more polished than AR but not as physically gifted which is insane because Justin Fields ran a 4.45 and has a cannon. If he continues to excel using mainly his legs and Richardson keeps averaging 10+ yards per carry even with sack yardage counting against him you could get a rebuilding and/or run first team chomping at the bit. The idea of Richardson back there instead of Malik Willis would have to be appealing to a team like Tennessee or the idea of having the most exciting physical prospect since Cam learning at the feet of the great Jared Goof might be something that Lions fans would get behind. Washington wants to be run first and Riverboat Ron won 3 straight division titles and went to the Super Bowl with Cam before Newton started wearing bonnets and dresses (nothing wrong with that, live your life Cam). Again, in no way, shape, or form does Richardson's current resume or on-field product look like a Fields, Newton, or Lamar Jackson but the tools do, and nobody has lost any money over-estimating the ego/narcissism of NFL front offices. Man, Fields was a beast against Miami. He was playing the kind of QB that AR should be playing. Nothing there, take off. He ran for like 178 against Miami. They just had no answer for him. |
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