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Dec 21, 2022 11:08:07 GMT -5
Post by tapsgator on Dec 21, 2022 11:08:07 GMT -5
Biggest news so far:
Cormani McClain will not sign with Miami today, rumor is that Deion may be plucking him, I wish there was some smoke about him flipping to us, but I haven't seen it. Seems like Coach Prime is making offers and he's listening
Isaiah Nixon (Edge) flipped from us to UCF
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Dec 21, 2022 11:19:06 GMT -5
Post by tapsgator on Dec 21, 2022 11:19:06 GMT -5
Kelby Collins signed and there were whispers of him flipping so that's a win. I think he plays inside and should contribute immediately. Unless Watson losses 60-70 lbs and actually becomes the player that the coaching staff seems to think he is and the media desperately wants him to be, we need DTs and 3 technique DEs
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Dec 21, 2022 12:43:58 GMT -5
Post by gatorgibson on Dec 21, 2022 12:43:58 GMT -5
So far it's crickets for Florida.
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Dec 21, 2022 14:39:53 GMT -5
Post by SoTxCaiman on Dec 21, 2022 14:39:53 GMT -5
So far Nixon is our only loss. Everyone else that was supposed to sign has signed, except Rashada. He is dragging out his signing for some reason. I am not aware he has anything scheduled publicly so who knows why the delay. I hope he is not home watching Vegas Bowl game film. We need him and a few of the other uncommitted kids to push this class up some. Fingers crossed, they are kids after all.
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Dec 22, 2022 6:37:36 GMT -5
Post by gatorgibson on Dec 22, 2022 6:37:36 GMT -5
Well, no 5 stars and only dropped in the rankings yesterday. Fingers crossed that year two will be better but honestly have lost some confidence with this staff.
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Dec 22, 2022 20:35:37 GMT -5
Post by Mojave Gator on Dec 22, 2022 20:35:37 GMT -5
The only reason that the recruiting ranking dropped was that other teams signed more players. There are a bunch of players in the transfer portal, and I would wager that they are leaving spots open for some of them. Quality over quantity. At 92.34, this was our highest recruiting class average since 2010 under Urban Meyer (93.99). The day wasn't nearly the disaster that the Gator Facebook pages would have you believe.
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Post by SoTxCaiman on Dec 22, 2022 21:49:47 GMT -5
In today's world, losing only one flip is a win in my book. To me with our roster the Portal is as, if not more important than the freshman class for immediate help next year. We have to kill the portal in areas of need to improve next year. This a pretty good class if they get the time to grow into their roles.
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Dec 23, 2022 0:23:13 GMT -5
Post by Mojave Gator on Dec 23, 2022 0:23:13 GMT -5
FWIW, our recruiting class rank percentage-wise was #5 nationally.
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Dec 23, 2022 0:26:49 GMT -5
Post by Mojave Gator on Dec 23, 2022 0:26:49 GMT -5
In today's world, losing only one flip is a win in my book. To me with our roster the Portal is as, if not more important than the freshman class for immediate help next year. We have to kill the portal in areas of need to improve next year. This a pretty good class if they get the time to grow into their roles. There was a kid, defensive back, who flipped from Notre Dame to Oregon, then signed with Oklahoma on NSD. I didn't see the press conference, but apparently he did a hat fake when he signed. He apologized later to the people at ND and Oregon for the way that he handled himself.
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Dec 23, 2022 23:41:47 GMT -5
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Post by tapsgator on Dec 23, 2022 23:41:47 GMT -5
FWIW, our recruiting class rank percentage-wise was #5 nationally. That’s a silver lining for sure along with the no flips. But the only way it really holds water is if we reload in the transfer portal with better talent than left. Our overall rank between portal and class is the same as the class rank. That doesn’t really ding you for guys who left, but as people find new homes we can either rise or fall. We need quantity and quality thanks to the prior regime. Portal was always going to be huge, but with a small class and as many leaving it is more huger than ever this year
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Dec 24, 2022 13:57:55 GMT -5
Post by Mojave Gator on Dec 24, 2022 13:57:55 GMT -5
FWIW, our recruiting class rank percentage-wise was #5 nationally. That’s a silver lining for sure along with the no flips. But the only way it really holds water is if we reload in the transfer portal with better talent than left. Our overall rank between portal and class is the same as the class rank. That doesn’t really ding you for guys who left, but as people find new homes we can either rise or fall. We need quantity and quality thanks to the prior regime. Portal was always going to be huge, but with a small class and as many leaving it is more huger than ever this year No argument here. The portal will be key to the 2023 season.
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Post by tapsgator on Dec 27, 2022 13:13:43 GMT -5
This is so weird to me, distribution of the top 20 from Florida:
UGA: 7 Miami: 4 Bama: 3 Ohio State: 2 Texas, FSU, LSU, Oklahoma: 1 each
It's not really a new thing either, last year we got 1 of the top 20 in Florida. It's early on, but if Napier doesn't start getting at least 3 of the top 20 in Florida he will be out of a job, or at least should be out of a job, by 2024. Napier has talked about closing down the borders, but talk is cheap, so far Mullen recruited the best kids in Florida better.
At some point somebody is going to do something smart and bring in guys who can flat out recruit. Robert Gillespie from Alabama is the #3 ranked recruiter in the country. He's a Gator alum and was the lead recruiter for Keon Kelly from Tampa (flipped from Notre Dame) and Desmond Ricks from IMG (one time Florida lean). TRob who was supposedly coming here was secondary on Ricks and another five star as well as a couple 4 stars. Neither of those guys are in the running for a coordinator job in Tuscaloosa. They should be here, and both positions should be open. Big picture that's what we need. Go all in on some sort of plan. Right now it seems like we've got a bunch of logical goals and some cool cliches that make for good copy, but with our "army" we're not really marching forward, all just kind of milling around aimlessly. Like the defense on 4th and 4 after a 5 minute break in the action against FSU. Right now I feel like we definitely have more administrative staff than players on the roster.
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Post by tapsgator on Dec 28, 2022 12:41:53 GMT -5
While it's fair to question whether he should be the play caller/de facto OC based on his resume, Napier has always been a good recruiter as an assistant coach. I don't put any real stock in Sun Belt recruiting. O'Cyrus and Johnson obviously were amazing for Louisiana but I have no idea what their recruiting looked like . I do know Torrence was a 2 star and Montrell a low 3 and he got them both out of Louisiana.
My question is can he close? Dabo, Kirby, Saban, they're closers. They get in their helicopter and go get the 4 and 5 star kids. Cristobal is a closer. We lost out on every 5 star we were in the mix for over the last 2 years other than James and (on some rankings) Rashada. That can't happen. Too much lipstick on the pig at this point. "70% of his recruits are from Florida, he's closing the border!" No, we didn't get 1 kid from the top 20 in the State this year. Georgia got 7. Bama got 4. He's closing the border on kids that better recruiters don't want. "Best blue chip ratio since Urban!" Well year, but we're down a net of 20 players so with the promise of early playing time you're getting kids anywhere from 80-300 in the country. That's not a win.
More importantly these aren't the arguments that successful programs have. Georgia doesn't have to explain why their recruiting is actually super good when they're outside the top 10 in the country. Alabama doesn't need to blame NIL because guys projected to start in 23 are hitting the portal.
I have heard about this clear plan and vision for the program, can we go ahead and start executing it? Now would be a good time. Without the Louisiana transfers last year this is a 3-4 win team. That was a one year luxury. The portal is full of kids who can help us. Go get them.
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Dec 31, 2022 0:10:09 GMT -5
Post by Mojave Gator on Dec 31, 2022 0:10:09 GMT -5
It seems that recently I am finding articles on my phone without a way to link to them. Another story this afternoon about the players hitting the portal. One player confirmed what some of us have suspected all along - they weren't ready for a disciplinarian who demands a lot from his players. Of the players who have hit the portal, all of them are Mullen recruits. None of Napier's recruits are transferring. The player in the article went on to say that this staff is much more involved with the players than the staff that preceded them, and that he wouldn't be at Florida were it not for the current staff.
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Post by wahhappen on Dec 31, 2022 9:25:01 GMT -5
It seems that recently I am finding articles on my phone without a way to link to them. Another story this afternoon about the players hitting the portal. One player confirmed what some of us have suspected all along - they weren't ready for a disciplinarian who demands a lot from his players. Of the players who have hit the portal, all of them are Mullen recruits. None of Napier's recruits are transferring. The player in the article went on to say that this staff is much more involved with the players than the staff that preceded them, and that he wouldn't be at Florida were it not for the current staff. The hope is that this is the first step in a rebuilding process and that things will get worse before we see a major turnaround. I would just like to see a few more signs of improvement and some consistency. It is difficult to execute a plan when you have several starters not on board. The problem I have at this point is there is no clear definition of what the plan is. It’s like Arthur’s “plan” in Red Redemption 2.
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Dec 31, 2022 22:10:33 GMT -5
Post by Mojave Gator on Dec 31, 2022 22:10:33 GMT -5
It seems that recently I am finding articles on my phone without a way to link to them. Another story this afternoon about the players hitting the portal. One player confirmed what some of us have suspected all along - they weren't ready for a disciplinarian who demands a lot from his players. Of the players who have hit the portal, all of them are Mullen recruits. None of Napier's recruits are transferring. The player in the article went on to say that this staff is much more involved with the players than the staff that preceded them, and that he wouldn't be at Florida were it not for the current staff. The hope is that this is the first step in a rebuilding process and that things will get worse before we see a major turnaround. I would just like to see a few more signs of improvement and some consistency. It is difficult to execute a plan when you have several starters not on board. The problem I have at this point is there is no clear definition of what the plan is. It’s like Arthur’s “plan” in Red Redemption 2. Perhaps it is more clear to those inside the program than it is to us. It wouldn't be the first time that we didn't have complete information.
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Dec 31, 2022 22:33:03 GMT -5
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Post by tapsgator on Dec 31, 2022 22:33:03 GMT -5
The hope is that this is the first step in a rebuilding process and that things will get worse before we see a major turnaround. I would just like to see a few more signs of improvement and some consistency. It is difficult to execute a plan when you have several starters not on board. The problem I have at this point is there is no clear definition of what the plan is. It’s like Arthur’s “plan” in Red Redemption 2. Perhaps it is more clear to those inside the program than it is to us. It wouldn't be the first time that we didn't have complete information. It would be a good idea to start executing a bit of it or at least divulging it to recruits and guys in the portal.
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Dec 31, 2022 22:34:22 GMT -5
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Post by tapsgator on Dec 31, 2022 22:34:22 GMT -5
I mean if you’re a defensive player who has their choice of schools and everybody has at the top of their list why would you come play for Patrick Toney?
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Dec 31, 2022 22:51:25 GMT -5
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Post by wahhappen on Dec 31, 2022 22:51:25 GMT -5
Step 1: Come to UF Step 3: Win National Championship
I see no problem with this plan.
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Jan 1, 2023 20:22:38 GMT -5
Post by Mojave Gator on Jan 1, 2023 20:22:38 GMT -5
I mean if you’re a defensive player who has their choice of schools and everybody has at the top of their list why would you come play for Patrick Toney? You could look at it one of two ways: 1. The defense was really bad, so there is a lot of opportunity to start and make an impact. 2. The defense was really bad, and there is no reason to believe that it will improve no matter who comes in.
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 1, 2023 23:37:02 GMT -5
Yeah I’m just flabbergasted that he is leaving Toney in place.
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Post by tapsgator on Jan 3, 2023 13:17:08 GMT -5
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