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Post by SoTxCaiman on May 21, 2024 9:14:51 GMT -5
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Post by g8rfan on May 21, 2024 9:59:45 GMT -5
Is there anything, anything at all, that this football program can’t screw up??
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Post by bimigator on May 21, 2024 10:03:28 GMT -5
Fantastic! Just another cherry on top of this sundae.
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Post by bimigator on May 21, 2024 10:04:21 GMT -5
Are we sure tapsgator isn't advising this kid? I recall his suggesting we'd be lucky if Rashada didn't sue... |
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Post by tapsgator on May 21, 2024 10:32:31 GMT -5
Are we sure tapsgator isn't advising this kid? I recall his suggesting we'd be lucky if Rashada didn't sue... I've read on fan boards that this is a UGA conspiracy and I do live in Atlanta and have an ad that's got red and black on the side of some buses and Marta trains. OMG am I actually a UGA double agent whose cover is so deep that I don't even know it? It's like Black Widow but with a middle aged bald guy. I wish they would have at least let me have the case, Rusty Hardin has enough money. |
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Post by wahhappen on May 21, 2024 13:59:29 GMT -5
Fantastic! Just another cherry on top of this sundae. Yet, another solid "first" for the DDD! First coach or booster in history to be sued over an NIL deal! Congratulations! You did it! I would say we finally hit rock bottom, but that would just be wishful thinking at this point. |
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Post by bimigator on May 21, 2024 14:52:03 GMT -5
Fantastic! Just another cherry on top of this sundae. Yet, another solid "first" for the DDD! First coach or booster in history to be sued over an NIL deal! Congratulations! You did it! I would say we finally hit rock bottom, but that would just be wishful thinking at this point. We may all end up being shocked at how deep the bottom can get. Ultimately this may just be a failure of imagination. Billy seems determined to fix that. |
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Post by tapsgator on May 22, 2024 9:26:18 GMT -5
I never thought I would wish the NCAA still had teeth. The only thing standing between Napier and a suspension (since they seem more inclined to punish the individual than the institution per the Atkins case at FSU) is the pending lawsuits against the NCAA. He actually managed to break rules in the Wild West. That's a deal right there man.
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Post by tapsgator on Jun 5, 2024 11:43:47 GMT -5
It's going to be interesting to see what happens if/when the Power 4 (really 2 but whatever) and the NCAA reach a settlement with Tennessee and Virginia or if this injunction is lifted. By all rights Napier should have been fired over this and UF should not be allowed to accept money from Hancock for 3-5 years. FSU got 2 years probation and Atkins a 3 game suspension for driving a kid to a meeting with a booster who offered 15k per month as an incentive. What's the penalty for "the check's in the mail if you sign" and outbidding a 9m dollar offer by upping the ante, buying the kid out of a verbal contract, and signing a contract for 13.8 and then voiding it days before NSD? I think CWT has a guardian angel or two and really good luck which is bad for us. www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/ncaa-forced-to-sit-on-sidelines-as-jaden-rashada-lawsuit-takes-aim-at-rival-sec-coach-over-failed-nil-dealings/ |
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Post by tapsgator on Jun 5, 2024 11:45:24 GMT -5
But, you know, I think that if you know the compliance officer isn't like around you know, I think that you can manage to you know break the rules I think.
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Post by wahhappen on Jun 5, 2024 12:35:17 GMT -5
But, you know, I think that if you know the compliance officer isn't like around you know, I think that you can manage to you know break the rules I think. If the compliance officer wasn't around, did it really happen? Might as well put it in writing for good measure instead of just promising things verbally like in the olden days before we had 50+ analysts "improving" the program. This is worse than the Mike Price fiasco at Alabama, yet this guy is still on the recruiting trail. Atleast SEC media days should have an interesting vibe. |
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Post by tapsgator on Jun 6, 2024 9:42:53 GMT -5
But, you know, I think that if you know the compliance officer isn't like around you know, I think that you can manage to you know break the rules I think. If the compliance officer wasn't around, did it really happen? Might as well put it in writing for good measure instead of just promising things verbally like in the olden days before we had 50+ analysts "improving" the program. This is worse than the Mike Price fiasco at Alabama, yet this guy is still on the recruiting trail. Atleast SEC media days should have an interesting vibe. Yeah I am really curious about that. The amount of goodwill that it appears he has burned through is actually pretty remarkable. He's been called out by Spurrier and Smart in the last 4-5 months. That's new. |
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Post by tapsgator on Jul 1, 2024 12:29:02 GMT -5
Now that I've been thoroughly inundated with the company line here's my final thought:
If your son is convinced to walk away from 10 million dollars with an empty promise of 14 million dollars and then promised a million if he turns in his LOI which he once again never gets and you don't encourage him to take legal action you are a terrible terrible father.
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Post by wahhappen on Jul 1, 2024 15:47:15 GMT -5
Now that I've been thoroughly inundated with the company line here's my final thought: If your son is convinced to walk away from 10 million dollars with an empty promise of 14 million dollars and then promised a million if he turns in his LOI which he once again never gets and you don't encourage him to take legal action you are a terrible terrible father. I am guessing all of that happened before Napier's commitment to instilling discipline and accountability within the program that is not rooted in fear or intimidation but rather in a philosophy of personal growth and development. |
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Post by SoTxCaiman on Jul 24, 2024 9:21:05 GMT -5
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Post by tapsgator on Jul 25, 2024 8:45:09 GMT -5
I am guessing all of that happened before Napier's commitment to instilling discipline and accountability within the program that is not rooted in fear or intimidation but rather in a philosophy of personal growth and development. Yeah, this was in year 0.25 I believe, we're getting really close to year 1. In year .75 he convinced guys to decommit and go to other schools in the last 2 weeks before NSD because he is a stickler for character and wanting to be here. In year .823 we brought in Cormani McClain. The plan is coming together. |
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Post by wahhappen on Jul 25, 2024 11:23:44 GMT -5
Yeah, this was in year 0.25 I believe, we're getting really close to year 1. In year .75 he convinced guys to decommit and go to other schools in the last 2 weeks before NSD because he is a stickler for character and wanting to be here. In year .823 we brought in Cormani McClain. The plan is coming together. Listen. We're on schedule. Just don't ask for any specifics on what the milestones are for the timeline or how anything is being measured. this is the first offseason where we haven't had to build a system in the middle of it, ok. So realistically, year zero took three years. You know, lots of people go to college for 7 years, and that's why CWT has a 7-year deal. Hopefully by year 7 he can pass with a D+ and earn a top 10 spot in the conference coach rankings. |
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Post by SoTxCaiman on Jul 25, 2024 11:40:21 GMT -5
Don't forget also, this is the first year that the NCAA has seen fit to let our multitude of coaches all be on the field coaching together. Heck we are going to have so much gameday coaching going on that we are contemplating hiring another "get back" coach and possibly even a "get back" coaching coordinator to oversee the the 2 "get back" coaches. UF Gator football, once again setting the bar thru innovation!
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Post by g8rfan on Jul 25, 2024 13:12:02 GMT -5
Don't forget also, this is the first year that the NCAA has seen fit to let our multitude of coaches all be on the field coaching together. Heck we are going to have so much gameday coaching going on that we are contemplating hiring another "get back" coach and possibly even a "get back" coaching coordinator to oversee the the 2 "get back" coaches. UF Gator football, once again setting the bar thru innovation! None of this would surprise me even a little bit. We’d probably even hire the father of modern get back coaching just to really drive home our commitment to excellence in the get back game. |
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Post by SoTxCaiman on Jul 25, 2024 14:47:30 GMT -5
None of this would surprise me even a little bit. We’d probably even hire the father of modern get back coaching just to really drive home our commitment to excellence in the get back game. Nothing personal g8rfan, but would we really want Ron Zook back?  |
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Post by g8rfan on Jul 25, 2024 17:22:09 GMT -5
None of this would surprise me even a little bit. We’d probably even hire the father of modern get back coaching just to really drive home our commitment to excellence in the get back game. Nothing personal g8rfan, but would we really want Ron Zook back? Can he coach special teams too?? |
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Post by wahhappen on Jul 25, 2024 17:44:27 GMT -5
Nothing personal g8rfan, but would we really want Ron Zook back? Can he coach special teams too?? Maybe he can come in as the assistant to the regional manager of special teams. Our recruiting might get better at least. Or perhaps it will sleep faster. |
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Post by wahhappen on Jul 25, 2024 17:46:00 GMT -5
Also, don’t forget. The game has evolved every 6 months since year zero. So that’s 24+ months to subtract. I think we might be in the negative years of the Napier era.
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Post by tapsgator on Jul 26, 2024 8:56:13 GMT -5
I don't even have time to look all this shit up but the little attention we got at SEC Meetings pretty much summed up everything that is wrong with the current incarnation of the Gator Football Program. There was the usual nonsense about year 0, the schedule, Graham Mertz victory tour following an 18 TD season where he averaged 255 total yards per game, explanations of how close we have always been but really are more closer now, how Mertz and his -1.2 yards per carry is the perfect mentor for a dual threat like Lagway, but for this thread here's my personal favorite:
When Napier took over at Florida following the 2021 season, he said the team earned "zero dollars in NIL." That has transitioned to the Gators "getting ready to pay our team $12.5 million to $15 million here over the next couple years." So much wrong with this statement:
1) NIL was passed on July 1, 2021. I believe it went into effect in September, but in any event you couldn't have an NIL budget before it was legal.
2) In that regard, the NCAA and Power 5 agreed to a settlement of Anti-trust cases in May 2024. Before that time schools could not pay athletes directly and it was against NCAA regulations for a school or coach to be involved in NIL negotiations in any way. If only there was some kind of case out there where a coach was a named defendant based on his involvement in an NIL deal gone bad. It's really not fair that Napier is obligated to answer questions without any reference point(s).
3) Not for nothing but the settlement allows each school to share roughly 20 million dollars of revenue with student-athletes. So, bragging about sharing at most 7.5 million is probably not so great for recruiting. Fortunately other coaches probably won't mention it unless they are jealous of what CWT is building (looking at you Kirby)
4) Here's far and away the most damning thing: the majority of the fanbase and the media are eating this shit up. It's become and ingrained habit now, he says something that is so hilariously stupid it almost seems like he's taking a dive, and I get a text from CWT supporters about all the progress. I do a google search, spit back some actual numbers and they begrudgingly agree maybe he's putting makeup on a pig. 2 weeks later the cycle repeats itself. It is the definition of insanity. I want off this hamster wheel of stupidity, so either he needs to go away or I need to stop watching college football.
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Post by wahhappen on Jul 26, 2024 9:25:31 GMT -5
4) Here's far and away the most damning thing: the majority of the fanbase and the media are eating this shit up. It's become and ingrained habit now, he says something that is so hilariously stupid it almost seems like he's taking a dive, and I get a text from CWT supporters about all the progress. I do a google search, spit back some actual numbers and they begrudgingly agree maybe he's putting makeup on a pig. 2 weeks later the cycle repeats itself. It is the definition of insanity. And he has the whole thing scripted. It is pathetic. getyarn.io/yarn-clip/00b0fcda-4c0f-4987-8821-867d471d90c2 |
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Post by g8rfan on Aug 15, 2024 17:49:22 GMT -5
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Post by wahhappen on Aug 15, 2024 18:54:19 GMT -5
I am still amazed that in a world where paying players is legal, we still get sued for offering payments to players. We suck at everything related to coaching, playing, and managing football.
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Post by tapsgator on Aug 16, 2024 10:25:17 GMT -5
All part of the process. You gotta remember a lot of this happened in the olden times where we only had 2 Offensive line coaches, we didn't have a chief or staff or a GM or someone who did head coaching type project stuff, no Defensive head coach, no special teams department, hadn't had our glorious month of Fitz (pour one out for the Fitz), our inspirational talk from Step, and last but certainly not least Tyler the Intern had not been promoted based on votes of confidence from the players, Hell Desmond Watson probably only weighed like 435 at the time. The good news is that there's an easy solution: recruiting mat.
Seriously though, probably the saddest part of this clown show is that if we had anything remotely resembling capable leadership at the AD position and/or a fanbase who was less content to be the most loyal customers in the whole entire fertilizer market, you could use this as means to a quick, clean(ish) break and knock the buyout way down because you could suspend (and ultimately terminate) for cause. However, given that we have guaranteed the contracts of all the assistant coaches and somehow allowed a guy with 0 experience as a head coach in Power 5 and very limited experience as even a coordinator (with his 3 years of actually coordinating qualifying as clear failure at Clemson and babysitting the head coach's offense at ASU) to assemble a staff with no OC and a DC who has a coach to coach him after a horrible first year, there's really no viable interim coach on staff. Amazingly somehow the closest thing is Ron Roberts who was fired as DC at Kentucky after 22 season and Auburn after 2023. If the lack of interim possibilities as interim coach was by design then it is by far the best executed plan of Napier's UF tenure. Maybe the only one, but he nailed it if that's what he was going for.
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Post by wahhappen on Aug 17, 2024 14:24:45 GMT -5
All part of the process. You gotta remember a lot of this happened in the olden times where we only had 2 Offensive line coaches, we didn't have a chief or staff or a GM or someone who did head coaching type project stuff, no Defensive head coach, no special teams department, hadn't had our glorious month of Fitz (pour one out for the Fitz), our inspirational talk from Step, and last but certainly not least Tyler the Intern had not been promoted based on votes of confidence from the players, Hell Desmond Watson probably only weighed like 435 at the time. The good news is that there's an easy solution: recruiting mat. Seriously though, probably the saddest part of this clown show is that if we had anything remotely resembling capable leadership at the AD position and/or a fanbase who was less content to be the most loyal customers in the whole entire fertilizer market, you could use this as means to a quick, clean(ish) break and knock the buyout way down because you could suspend (and ultimately terminate) for cause. However, given that we have guaranteed the contracts of all the assistant coaches and somehow allowed a guy with 0 experience as a head coach in Power 5 and very limited experience as even a coordinator (with his 3 years of actually coordinating qualifying as clear failure at Clemson and babysitting the head coach's offense at ASU) to assemble a staff with no OC and a DC who has a coach to coach him after a horrible first year, there's really no viable interim coach on staff. Amazingly somehow the closest thing is Ron Roberts who was fired as DC at Kentucky after 22 season and Auburn after 2023. If the lack of interim possibilities as interim coach was by design then it is by far the best executed plan of Napier's UF tenure. Maybe the only one, but he nailed it if that's what he was going for. It really does seem like the moves Napier has made in the past year have been designed more to protect himself than to actually improve the team. We could have had Charlie Strong or Ike Hilliard, and instead ended up with Tits McGee, Gonzales re-tread, and the 45 other cast of jokers on staff. It feels like he is trying to hang on as long as possible, not trying to win. |
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Post by gatordoll on Aug 22, 2024 2:23:47 GMT -5
All part of the process. You gotta remember a lot of this happened in the olden times where we only had 2 Offensive line coaches, we didn't have a chief or staff or a GM or someone who did head coaching type project stuff, no Defensive head coach, no special teams department, hadn't had our glorious month of Fitz (pour one out for the Fitz), our inspirational talk from Step, and last but certainly not least Tyler the Intern had not been promoted based on votes of confidence from the players, Hell Desmond Watson probably only weighed like 435 at the time. The good news is that there's an easy solution: recruiting mat. Seriously though, probably the saddest part of this clown show is that if we had anything remotely resembling capable leadership at the AD position and/or a fanbase who was less content to be the most loyal customers in the whole entire fertilizer market, you could use this as means to a quick, clean(ish) break and knock the buyout way down because you could suspend (and ultimately terminate) for cause. However, given that we have guaranteed the contracts of all the assistant coaches and somehow allowed a guy with 0 experience as a head coach in Power 5 and very limited experience as even a coordinator (with his 3 years of actually coordinating qualifying as clear failure at Clemson and babysitting the head coach's offense at ASU) to assemble a staff with no OC and a DC who has a coach to coach him after a horrible first year, there's really no viable interim coach on staff. Amazingly somehow the closest thing is Ron Roberts who was fired as DC at Kentucky after 22 season and Auburn after 2023. If the lack of interim possibilities as interim coach was by design then it is by far the best executed plan of Napier's UF tenure. Maybe the only one, but he nailed it if that's what he was going for. Exactly right. The university will stand with Napier and support him if we are successful, but more likely they will pull the plug and use this debacle to fire Napier with cause once we have lost 5 or 6 games in a row. This will save the university the 14.5 M (or whatever it is) on the buyout of his contract. They will then settle the lawsuit with Rashada for considerably less than the Napier buyout would have cost them. |
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